Anyone know if this is the original speaker in my 1964 Princeton Reverb?

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  1. vanguard

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    it's an Oxford, but i can't find a pic of another '64 that looks exactly like this one.

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    There’s a date code stamped on the edge of the speaker frame. See if it’s still legible.
     
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    Fender Musical Instruments vs. Electric Instruments would indicate '65 or later.
     
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    465 - 510 on the sticker translates:
    465 - Oxford (this is their manufacturer number)
    510 - 1965, 10th month of production.

    See if it lines up with the date codes of your transformers, etc.
     
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    Just the appearance of that crumbleboard baffle is correct for early CBS but still Blackface.
     
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  6. vanguard

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    The amp is a '64. If the speaker is a '65, it must be unoriginal. That gives me clearance to source a Jensen C10R
     
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    How did you date it? I was told my Pro Reverb was a '76 and believed it for 20 years until I found a transformer from '77.
     
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    '64 date code on tube chart; '64 stamp inside chassis and on top of power transformer, all '64 transformers; no fender badge on grille; FMIC screen print on panel.
     
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    FMIC?
     
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    It's still a vintage speaker and close enough in my book, but I say go for it if you wan't to put that C10R in there ;)
     
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    465 - 510 Could it be the 10th week of "65? What are the dates of your transformers and tube chart exactly? Possibly a very late '64 or early '65 with a late '64 tube chart/cab and some parts from the bin left over... The speaker does look like it has been remounted or moved a bit based on the markings left from hardware, and the solder joints don't look like they may be original... Does it have a chrome Fender logo on the front? I think the '64's had no logo but '65's have them?...
     
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    Could still have shipped in '65 but made from parts sourced in '64.

    FMIC can't be right though?
    FEIC?
     
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    Yep that's what I was wondering too, but I couldn't quite work it out in my head ;)
     
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    Sorry, Fender Electric Inst. Co.
     
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    My issue with the Oxford is that it's really bassy to my ears. I want that bright, scooped, small ceramic-mag Jensen sound.
     
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    My 64 PR has the same baffle board.
     
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    Yes - sorry, I should have said 'for up to CBS BF/SF'. My 68 Drip edge VC had it, was built December 67 with a mix of bits back to 66.

    I know amps past 70 had a more dense particle board that was much more regular.

    It tends to suggest the amp's original including speaker and is a 65 build.
     
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    I'd say the speaker is original.
    One could make a good argument for boxing it up and installing one you like better.
     
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    The tube chart code is NL, which, being a December build, perhaps lends credence to the '65 speaker being original.

    The things that still bug me:

    --all the other '64-65 Fender amps with similar Oxford speakers have the information printed on the frame, as opposed to the white info sticker seen on this speaker. Could it be a '75 speaker?

    --the speaker has been mounted other times (the paint damage around the screws suggests this), and the solder joints on the tabs look too have been worked over several times

    The PT code is 606-4-39
    OT: 606-4-45
    Choke: 606-4-45

    So October/early November transformers if my math's right.

    Seems odd to me that the amp would be finished completely by December, but then sit around waiting for a '65 speaker?
    If "510" on the spreaker code means "middle of March, 1965," that would mean it sat around for ~3 months before getting its speaker.
     
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    Or like often happened at Fender, parts of the amp (the chassis?) were built in late '64 but final assembly was in early '65 which does make it technically a '65, but the OP may like the idea of it being sorta pre CBS and like the parts built in '64 better.

    I often enough find the speakers are the most recent date and the transformers are the oldest date in a given amp, as in the speaker date is/ are the next year after the transformer dates.

    IDK if they would put speakers in cabs sitting waiting for a chassis to be built, as opposed to putting speakers in after the chassis was wired up and ready to go? My recollection is the speaker dates are more often the later dates though.
     
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