Anyone has experience with this Gibson Deluxe tuners? I want to replace them, but....

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  1. dreamingtele

    dreamingtele Friend of Leo's

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    I dont know what fits this best without re-drilling new holes.. I just want to replace this crappy tuners..

    It seems to have a threaded bushing? and all the tuners I see includes a pressed in bushing..
    like this one..

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    Can I just use the tuner and use existing threaded bushing and washer?
    The tuners on mine look like this..

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    Here's mine..

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  2. Peegoo

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    The tuner in your first pic is much better than the stock units Gibson uses because the Gibson version is cast pot metal. The cheaper no-name is stamped steel.

    That tuner will work, but you need to purchase 10mm conversion bushings. They press-fit into the existing larger holes in the headstock of your guitar. The threaded barrel nuts of the original tuners won't work.
     
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    You have the threaded type. You should replace them with the threaded type, not the push-in bushing type. I have Kluson Revolution tuners on one of my Gibsons which was a direct fit for the type that you have.
     
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    I don’t know if gibson custom shop use different tuners but they have the press on bushing gibson deluxe tuners and I’ve never had any problems with them.
    On the other hand I always hear about problems with the threaded bushing variety(all second hand of course).

    As far as the o.p I think the best bet is to get some Kluson reissue tuners, they are actually pretty decent now and like Peegoo says conversion bushings

    This isn’t a slight against the o.p but since I’ve never had hands on experience I wonder if all of these threaded bushing tuners are really that bad or if it’s operator error
     
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    Hi guys, is this it? I hate the tulip, and I wanted oval ones like the ones on Telecasters,strats.. but oh well..

    https://www.kluson.com/kluson-3-per-side-revolution-series-g-mount-tuning-machines-details.html

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    I usually dont replace tuners, no matter how crappy they are.. I work with it for as long as I can and never had to replace one, EVER.. even those crappy trapezoid ones that come with Affinities and bullets.. LOL

    But these tuners are just loose.. I mean, the tuners are so easy to turn, like no fight at all, and one feather touch is all it takes to turn them.. it still holds tune, but I dont like it being so easy to turn..
     
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    Yeah that’s the newer Klusons that should be a direct fit.
    They make reissues with the strat buttons like on the epiphone casino, you’ll probably need conversion bushings for them though

    Like these I couldn’t post a link but I just searched kluson 3x3 on reverb, should be on Klusons site/WD music website
    They should also have the conversion bushings although I’d measure what you have first to be sure

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    There’s a lot of negativity about the older Kluson reissues but I’ve used 2 or 3 of the newer ones and they are just fine
     
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    The Kluson RI tuners on my 2014 Gibson Melody Maker had threaded bushings. Same housing as the ones in the photos but I don't know if they make them with the keystone buttons.

    BTW the Kluson Revolutions that lammie200 suggested are great tuners.
     
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    Thanks guys!! Yeah, I like the look of the oval tuners better, especially in pearl white.. just groovy looking.. but anyway..

    The ones on the Casino that I had was so much better but the guitar has a questionable build quality that I cannot get over with.. ... but you're right, i think these ones have different bushings..

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    I know you're not wondering, but I'm just gonna show it off anyway, its an Epiphone Sorrento.. LOL

    I'm planning to gut this one out.. and put better hardwares, like Gotoh bridge, and better pots.. and then Probably some Lollar P90s or just those stock Gibson P90s on the cheaps..

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    I wish you luck having to rewire that beast, especially the pots.
    I’ve never done one but am always weary of semi hollows that might need something done in the future, they frighten me.
    If you’ve never done one or just need advice I think I saw a couple guys on YouTube show some ways to make it less of a hassle

    I don’t know if it’s the close ups but the sorrento frets almost look like jumbos
     
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    they're kind of like vintage height, medium wide frets... they're quite low, its made from 1996.. here's my thread on it..

    https://www.tdpri.com/threads/just-in-i-love-florentine-cutaways-ngd.1015598/

    here's a closer look to the frets when I polished and set it up..


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    Those cast tuners with the sharp corners are garbage IME. Only tuners I’ve ever had simply fall apart on me.

    Higher end Gibsons usually use the old style stamped variety, and sometimes cast sealed ones (e.g. Grover), neither of which are great, but both of which are better than those crappy ones you have.

    On an Epiphone, I wouldn’t even worry too much about lining up the holes with better tuners. Just get some better tuners on that thing.

    You can’t drop in the old style stamped type, because the crappy ones that you have use modern style mounting, with larger tuner holes, and a screw in bushing. Tuners like Grovers should be drop ins. On my Gibson that used those tuners, I dropped in a set of mini Grovers. I use them because they came along cheap, in a big lot of used parts. But butterbean sealed Hipshots would look a hell of a lot better, and be much better in quality.
     
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    Thats the plan sir! I’m not usually into high end parts. I just want thins that work, but affordable, like Gotohs.. but I didnt want to re-drill or modified. So probably this one will just have to get the Grovers as it’s cheaper than Klusons I posted above.

    this will go to my luthier for fret level, bone nut, and other set up stuff when everything goes back to normal. Right now, I’m just trying to collect the parts so its just a one time big time thing.
     
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    The more expensive models , are probably re-issues of some kind , and use the old school tuners for rather obvious reasons. The sealed cast , vintage-look tuners ,used on so many Gibson models have never given me any trouble. They are a bit heavier , than the old school Kluson types , but apart from that , they are ok to me.
    Please consider that most angled head guitars like the Gibsons , with tuning problems , have problems with the nut.
     
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    yessir. But mine is just very loose. Ive widened the nut slots a bit, its not binding anymore. And besides, it’s gonna have a new bone nut when my luthier’s shop opens again.

    Its the tuners itself. It doesnt have much resistance turning up or down. Its so easy to turn, but it holds tune. And I just want to replace it with something better.
     
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    TV Jones sells a tubing kit that attaches to the pots for a reasonable price that makes fishing things in and out tolerable.
     
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