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Anyone ever been fired/laid off or had to fire/layoff others?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by burntfrijoles, Mar 23, 2018.

  1. nvilletele

    nvilletele Friend of Leo's

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    We are about to have big layoffs. Company is asking if anyone voluntarily will take a package, have until Monday to respond. I had hoped to work a couple more years or so (I am 60), but I think if I don't take the buyout they will can me anyway.

    So it seems I will soon be out of work, one way or the other. No pension, of course, but I think I may get by if I am careful.

    I don't know if at this stage of my life I could try to start anew, after over 20 years at one place.

    Well, more time to play guitar and sax.
     
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  2. Toto'sDad

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    The age thing sucks! I hope you can handle it okay, it's harder the older you get. I said that it didn't bother me to get laid off in another thread, but the last time it happened to me, it was a wake up call because at the time I was over fifty years old. I managed to get reconnected and had a good job the rest of my working days, but it wasn't easy, and it took a while. I wish you the very best in handling things.
     
  3. imwjl

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    I've been on either side of the fence with things working out both well and not so well.

    A first big round of learning this stuff was in our family business.

    Then came other side of the fence. A job had a non-owner boss who wanted his laid off brother in law in my position. He already had a sibling as a manager. They did all sorts of crap to try and get me to leave but it was not working. Finally the owner called me in, said I was a "tough little ____er, but I had to go". He wasn't firing his plant manager and that guy's brother over it. It's all a big smile now because next steps were meeting my wife and change to a tech career.

    I've had to let people go over time and now still get involved in every one because the modern world means data retention, account lockouts, and at times data retrieval and discover with legal issues.

    Modern times also get me in scenarios I don't choose that lead to people losing their jobs. Managed IT and security systems send alarms or red flags. The software that protects against viruses and intrusion also catches employees doing stuff they're not supposed to. It's not fun. People will do incredibly inappropriate or stupid things and the network and security administrator gets thrown into it. Lawsuits have discovery and law enforcement investigations have strong powers. At times that gets me in very uncomfortable situations because I'm not going to lie.

    Don't do stupid things on computers at work. My uncomfortable moments have been crazy diverse ranging from legal scenarios to people above you pulling scams or using company resources to communicate what they and their wife do with household items while he wears the apron. A few times ugly lawsuits and once a murder investigation added to overall no fun.

    The way technology has become part of catching and proving things that get people fired means the unfortunate scenario of someone being done happens a lot in my life.
     
  4. rghill

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    I was laid off after 23 years, just over two years ago. I am just now starting a new job.

    I had hopes that it would be a new door opening, but after a number of setbacks I feel like I am basically starting over, with retirement postponed indefinitely.

    In hindsight, I should have taken advantage of the tuition reimbursement to pursue a graduate degree or second bachelors. I got complacent, and didn't see the layoff coming, as my manager told me I was too important.

    In my new position, I will be striving to get various certifications and hope to move back into a higher level position as soon as possible.

    EDIT: I am in my mid 50s and I do think that is a factor in being able to find a job these days. Sucks and really shouldn't be considering experience.
     
  5. burntfrijoles

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    Yes, usually when a company offers incentives to leave, it's either a stated or unstated fact that you're going either way so it's better to take the incentive package. I had a friend who was offered such a deal and he took it as there was no doubt about the consequences.
     
  6. 1955

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    The business world is disgusting.
     
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  7. lucidspoon

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    I was fired once, but I don't really count it, because I had made the decision to leave the night before...

    I worked for a software consulting company, and they placed me at a government facility. It sucked, but I figured it was my first contract with them, so I had to earn my right to get better gigs. It was supposed to be a 6 month contract, so I put in my time, admittedly doing half-ass work, but I just really didn't care about it. At the 6 month mark, I asked about being placed somewhere else, and the company dragged their feet about finding me a new position. In the meantime, 2 other developers from the same company were put on my team and placed other places, because they weren't working out. So, apparently I was the best of the 3 of us and my reward was being stuck there.

    Over the next 6 months, my work really went downhill just because it sucked being there, and I finally got pulled off. My manager said I was "fired" from the contract, but I could stay as an employee, which was BS, since I had been asking for months to get replaced. After that, I really just didn't care. Started putting in resumes other places, and then was let go anyway.
     
  8. beyer160

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    I work for a small company that was faced with downsizing due to the economic downturn back in 2000. It hurt my boss (the owner) a lot to let people go, he didn't do it lightly. It was done by seniority- last hired, first fired. We got to a point where the next guy on the chopping block was a personal friend of the owner and we all knew he wasn't going anywhere, and the guy after him was me. At that point, one of the more senior guys named Eric started spouting off to the owner about how the next layoffs shouldn't be done by seniority, but by merit. It wasn't his place to be telling the owner how to run his business, and he was obviously sucking up by telling him to skip over his friend and fire me.

    However, our boss decided Eric was right, and fired him.
     
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    i came into work drunk out of my mind when i was in my early twenties. i ended collapsing in a heap at the door and they called an ambulance for me. needless to say, i was sacked pretty quickly. it was the only time ever being sacked, now of course i have the good sense to call in sick.
     
  10. schmee

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    Yep, pretty much a ditto for me. Had to terminate many over the years. A couple still occasionally haunt me wondering, "should I have worked harder to solve that issue, or helped them be more successful?" It's hard, there are those that deserve it too, but still, mostly it's from lack of understanding how the world works, so you have sympathy for those too.
     
  11. raito

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    Though I've already replied here,

    It's worth noting that every single place I've been let go of (save 1 that I didn't put in my original reply) no longer exist. And most of the places I left of my own free will. But I'm still here. First rat off the sinking ship, really.

    My wife has to fire people, and she does when she has to.

    I do recall one time there were layoffs (I didn't get laid off). Everyone had to go to a meeting. Those being let go were intercepted at the door and told they didn't have to go. They were escorted back to their desk and told to clear out.

    I'm not sorry to say that I consider it disingenuous for the head of the company to say how much it hurts to lay people off. Sure it does. But not nearly as much as it hurts the guy who now has to figure out how to pay the rent.
     
  12. Paul in Colorado

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    I had to fire the drummer in a band I was in. Why me? I wasn't the band leader. But the girl singers said it was him or them. He wasn't a great drummer, but he was invested in it emotionally. I felt bad.

    I got replaced in another band out of the blue. They gave me the option of doing backup vocals, which I did, foolishly.

    I was a touring sound dude and helped in the band's office, but they weren't getting enough gigs to support me and there was a change coming with personnel in the band. So I had to go get a real job so I wouldn't starve. It worked out well.

    I was fired from a restaurant job for finishing cleaning up one night because the waitress with the key wouldn't wait for me to finish. I got laid off from a friend's business making insulated glass windows. Early '80's, business slowdown. I was expecting it. I'm sure there were others. I did a lot of temp jobs so I was pretty independent at the time.
     
  13. lammie200

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    I have been laid off a couple of times and have had to lay a few people off. I have also been forced to fire a few people. The firing part isn't so bad because I felt that they should have known that it was coming due to warnings. Laying off people is much worse. You never know what is going on in other people's lives and the disruption of being laid off can really affect them badly. Many times I wonder that if the places where I have worked were run better we wouldn't have to have lay offs. But most of those places were extremely inefficient from operational perspectives and it was difficult to implement any changes to improve them.
     
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    I got fired from my first job, a week before I was leaving anyway for college, for taking two hours on my lunch break, smooching on the lawn with the boss's niece. Lost track of time I guess. About ten years later I got fired from an advertising sales job. I was at first angry and embarrassed, but looking back I know I'd've fired me, too.

    After that I started a partnership business, an advertising publication here in Plundertown. We needed lots of people, but didn't pay for diddly. Most of the capable people soon quit, and many of the remaining people were less than unhelpful, so I had to fire them. My partner was much more experienced in business than I was; he pointed out that people often became much happier after you fired them, once they got over the initial embarrassment of it. I found that to be generally true. Before long I got to where I didn't hesitate when someone needed to go, because once I recognized that condition, I noticed that the situation never improved.
     
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    Maybe the saddest part of owning a business is having to let people go you care about. I've had to do it a couple times and it was gut wrenching. I have always tried to warn people it was coming to give them the chance to start looking rather than a surprise check and a goodbye. I hate the way big corporations handle it but I understand the business side of it.
     
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    I work in commercial art.

    We get laid off with alarming regularity. I lost count in the years, how many times.
     
  17. straightface

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    Ive been laid off three times and not had a contract extended just recently due to them laying off a big chunk of their permanent workforce. I've also been on the other side where I had to inform people they were getting the axe. It sucks on either side.

    A couple years ago I was laid off unexpectedly by a small company where a life long friend had been appointed the CEO after being in a lower management position before that. The company was always sort of living on the edge of going under and I had always told him that if he ever had to lay me off it was cool and our friendship would not be affected by it. So we were all on a weekly conference call and there was no indication anything was happening. The next day my boss ( not the CEO) called me and said that he and I were both getting laid off. He also told me that the CEO made it a point to tell him that he had to tell me, which was fine, except my "friend" of 40 something years not once after that even said a word to me about it. In fact he never spoke to me again after that conference call a few days before it happened and it has now been almost three years.
     
  18. Frank'n'censed

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    Fired...3 times; 2 were railroad/setups in unionized shops. The other was was a non-union outfit, where I called their bluff, standing up for myself. As a former operating engineer, we were laid off on a regular basis
     
  19. rghill

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    In my case, my manager did not know that I was about to be let go, probably because her manager was also on the chopping block as well. He sure knew something was coming, as he abruptly left before the ax fell.

    I was called into the Vice President's office to inform me. When that meeting request came, I knew it wasn't a good thing. At least I was not frog walked out the door and had a few weeks to transition to my team. Others I have known were escorted out immediately after they were let go.

    Companies are more careful with IT employees like myself. Some have left behind time bombs or walked out with treasure trove of employee or customer data. I had been involved with a case where a sales guy basically did a data dump of customer contact information and took it with him to a competitor.
     
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    I've had the misfortune to have been made redundant four times in my working life:cry: each time sucked harder than the last time and you begin to think you're worthless. I took any employment to get back into work but had to take a pay cut to my previous jobs every time, you ended up going backwards if that makes sense.:confused:

    There isn't supposed to be any age discrimination in jobs, but sad to say it's alive & well.
     
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