badmelonfarmer
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Anyone?
I can't wait for this bad boy to ship.
It looks amazing.
Cheers
BMF
I can't wait for this bad boy to ship.
It looks amazing.
Cheers
BMF
anyone else really excited by the Eventide Pitch Factor?
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I REALLY want it, and I haven't even got much use for it.
Up until now I've been GASing for a HOG, but I think the PF would do everything I'd use the HOG for in a smaller package - plus it has some really cool delay stuff, and a guy can never have too many great delays.
Up until now I've been GASing for a HOG, but I think the PF would do everything I'd use the HOG for in a smaller package - plus it has some really cool delay stuff, and a guy can never have too many great delays.
badmelonfarmer
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Yeah, I have an outstanding post on the eventide forum, trying to find out if it does the HOG / POG thang.
I hope so, so then I can ebay my used once POG and put the money to the Pitch Factor.
Have you seen or read anything that sugests it will go the HOG / POG sounds?
Cheers
BMF
Well the one thing I'm unsure on is whether or not it's polyphonic or monophonic, but being Eventide, I'd imagine it's Poly.
Have you played with the demo on the Eventide website? It does 4 voice harmonies, and you can use an expression pedal to sweep between any/all parameters.... so you could set the knobs one way, then turn all the knobs to be a completely different sound and sweep between the 2.
SO providing it's polyphonic and you're happy with 4 harmonies, I'd guess it can do everything the HOG does bar the freeze/gliss setting.
But I could be wrong!
Have you played with the demo on the Eventide website? It does 4 voice harmonies, and you can use an expression pedal to sweep between any/all parameters.... so you could set the knobs one way, then turn all the knobs to be a completely different sound and sweep between the 2.
SO providing it's polyphonic and you're happy with 4 harmonies, I'd guess it can do everything the HOG does bar the freeze/gliss setting.
But I could be wrong!
badmelonfarmer
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on the eventide forum, it does state that some patches are mono and some poly.... "Some algorithms handle chords, some are monophonic. You need to play with one to understand it."
I would be happy with 4 harmonies, more than flexable than the POG as I assume you could do intervals other than just octaves. such as fifths etc.
here is the link to the eventide forums regarding mono and poly.
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it is a bit like watching tumblweeds in the eventide forum!
I would be happy with 4 harmonies, more than flexable than the POG as I assume you could do intervals other than just octaves. such as fifths etc.
here is the link to the eventide forums regarding mono and poly.
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it is a bit like watching tumblweeds in the eventide forum!
yeah you can do any interval you like, and you can also have intelligent harmonies where the hog/pog are just fixed intervals - IE they won't flatten a 3rd to fit the key you're playing, whereas the PF will. That's just an example, but you see what I mean.
I really like the fact you can have the pitch shift on just your delays, so you can keep the dry signal dry and have harmonies just on the repeats. seems really fancy!
I really like the fact you can have the pitch shift on just your delays, so you can keep the dry signal dry and have harmonies just on the repeats. seems really fancy!
badmelonfarmer
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The harmonies in the delay is one of the things I am really excited about. I love all that ambient stuff to make the guitar sound a little fuller.
I am a big fan of the Line 6 Verbzilla, I am hoping that the PF will take the octoverb setting to the next level and then some.
Cheers
BMF
I am a big fan of the Line 6 Verbzilla, I am hoping that the PF will take the octoverb setting to the next level and then some.
Cheers
BMF
badmelonfarmer
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there has been some more info posted in the Eventite forum about the Pitch Factor.
Yes it is Polyphonic, apart from the synth patch.
it does POGesque tones, but they are quick to point out they have not coppied the POG etc.
"Hi Guys, All the algs in PitchFactor handle guitar chords pretty well except Synthonizer which is a mono-synth and Octaver which is based on old school analog octavers which are by definition monophonic. The one caveat is that complex chords can sometimes confuse the pitch tracking in Diatonic and Quadravox. It works pretty well for most common chords, but if your trying to screw it up, you can. The best solution for this is to use HarModulator or PitchFlex which can be explicitly set to a given interval (eg. m3rd, M3rd, ...). We did a fair amount of work improving the pitch tracking for this product and are currently porting that to the H8000 and Eclipse. It would be fair to say this product has the best pitch tracking of anything we've ever released."
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Hi Again,
My gut reaction would be to say that the PitchFactor will have Eventide style effects, but I'll try to answer the question more directly.
Quadravox will allow you to do -1 octave, +1 octave, and +2 octaves simultaneously; PitchFlex will allow you to do 2 voices of any of the above combinations and add a filter, and HarModulator will allow you to do 2 voices of the above combinations with detune. These effects should all do chords but will sound more like pitch shifted guitar, alternatively synthonizer can be set up to do a very convincing organ sound, but it is monphonic.
So it can do many of the things the POG can do, however it's not an attempt to emulate or copy that pedal. It's much more bringing the things we know how to do best into a stompbox and maybe even to get artistic and push the envelope a little bit.
I hope that answers your question, if you have a more specific setting you're looking for I can try to answer that for you.
PS. I think Nick's previous answer was in regard to the A440 tuning thing, we just added it to our feature request list and should be able to get it in there.
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Can't wait
Yes it is Polyphonic, apart from the synth patch.
it does POGesque tones, but they are quick to point out they have not coppied the POG etc.
"Hi Guys, All the algs in PitchFactor handle guitar chords pretty well except Synthonizer which is a mono-synth and Octaver which is based on old school analog octavers which are by definition monophonic. The one caveat is that complex chords can sometimes confuse the pitch tracking in Diatonic and Quadravox. It works pretty well for most common chords, but if your trying to screw it up, you can. The best solution for this is to use HarModulator or PitchFlex which can be explicitly set to a given interval (eg. m3rd, M3rd, ...). We did a fair amount of work improving the pitch tracking for this product and are currently porting that to the H8000 and Eclipse. It would be fair to say this product has the best pitch tracking of anything we've ever released."
"
Hi Again,
My gut reaction would be to say that the PitchFactor will have Eventide style effects, but I'll try to answer the question more directly.
Quadravox will allow you to do -1 octave, +1 octave, and +2 octaves simultaneously; PitchFlex will allow you to do 2 voices of any of the above combinations and add a filter, and HarModulator will allow you to do 2 voices of the above combinations with detune. These effects should all do chords but will sound more like pitch shifted guitar, alternatively synthonizer can be set up to do a very convincing organ sound, but it is monphonic.
So it can do many of the things the POG can do, however it's not an attempt to emulate or copy that pedal. It's much more bringing the things we know how to do best into a stompbox and maybe even to get artistic and push the envelope a little bit.
I hope that answers your question, if you have a more specific setting you're looking for I can try to answer that for you.
PS. I think Nick's previous answer was in regard to the A440 tuning thing, we just added it to our feature request list and should be able to get it in there.
"
Can't wait
Tell you what I'm wondering... whether you can use it as a straight up delay without any of the pitch effects.
I'll bet you can, and it sounds like you can set 2 independant subdivisions on it too, from the demo on the website. This, to me, would put it above the Timefactor on my GAS list, because I'd be able to use it for a lot of what I want the Timefactor for.
Alright it's probably just a straight digital delay sound rather than having tape,analogue etc etc simulations, but I have other delays to cover those sounds anyway.
What do you reckon, could I be on to something here? If you can do independant stereo delays with or without pitch shifting, I'm totally sold and I'll be asking my wife for one at Christmas time!
I'll bet you can, and it sounds like you can set 2 independant subdivisions on it too, from the demo on the website. This, to me, would put it above the Timefactor on my GAS list, because I'd be able to use it for a lot of what I want the Timefactor for.
Alright it's probably just a straight digital delay sound rather than having tape,analogue etc etc simulations, but I have other delays to cover those sounds anyway.
What do you reckon, could I be on to something here? If you can do independant stereo delays with or without pitch shifting, I'm totally sold and I'll be asking my wife for one at Christmas time!
badmelonfarmer
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yes, I was thinking about the just delay option too, I hope and assume you can.
I just hope some more info and demos etc come out soon.
also hope it's still on track for a March release.
Cheers
BMF
I just hope some more info and demos etc come out soon.
also hope it's still on track for a March release.
Cheers
BMF
badmelonfarmer
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Knowing eventide, I would imagine you can controll the parameter with a expression pedal.
On one of the demo's I saw a whammy with expression pedal and you can have the pitch shift affecting only the delays .... so 2+2 =4, maybe.
Might be worth making these sugestions on the eventide support forum, some guy asked if pitch shifting worked on things other than 440 tuning, they said it did, but they put it as a feature request.
so it does sound like they listen to input.
Cheers
BMF
On one of the demo's I saw a whammy with expression pedal and you can have the pitch shift affecting only the delays .... so 2+2 =4, maybe.
Might be worth making these sugestions on the eventide support forum, some guy asked if pitch shifting worked on things other than 440 tuning, they said it did, but they put it as a feature request.
so it does sound like they listen to input.
Cheers
BMF
badmelonfarmer
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badmelonfarmer
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Hi Tibbonds,
seeing your post in the Time Factor thread reminded me to reply to you re the Pitch Factor...
I noticed that there is now a pitchfactor myspace page that state 1.5 seconds of delay.... so looking good for straight up delay.
Cheers
BMF
seeing your post in the Time Factor thread reminded me to reply to you re the Pitch Factor...
I noticed that there is now a pitchfactor myspace page that state 1.5 seconds of delay.... so looking good for straight up delay.
Cheers
BMF
Awesome, it seems like it will be a decent delay too. 1.5 seconds is about enough for most applications for me. I think when the time comes, I'll have to A/B the TF and PF to see which I want. The band delay on the TF could swing it that way, but then other features of the PF could swing it that way too. It's going to be a tough call, I think.
One thing on the PF I have been wondering.... surely this kind of effect works better pre-gain? But then the delays would sound like junk. I'm confused on that one - would you be able to get good tracking running this thing post-gain, do you think?
One thing on the PF I have been wondering.... surely this kind of effect works better pre-gain? But then the delays would sound like junk. I'm confused on that one - would you be able to get good tracking running this thing post-gain, do you think?
badmelonfarmer
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I was wondering exactly the same, I know that my POG sounds much better early on in the chain.
I like Compressor > POG > Dirt (if any)
this seems to get the best tracking in my setup, although if you are tracking in mono, you may have more success than poly with dirt before the PF?
so I am thinking the PF will want to be eary in the chain, but then like you say that screw up the delays.
I am thinking that the PF might do as an all in one if you are running clean, but if you are doing any whammy distorted sounds ... it begs the question?
I have resigned myself to getting both the PF and the TF, but if you were chosing between the two .... hmmm... like you say you would have to A/B them.
Cheers
BMF
badmelonfarmer
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I am hoping the PF will do enough of the HOG / POG stuff for me to sell my POG, gain the crystal echoes type ambiens stuff and some harmony leads... thats my wich list.
badmelonfarmer
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Just pre-ordered one, they are expected to hit the UK in Mid March (WC - 16th)
Now I just need to sell by month old POG, unused Digitech EX-7 and As new Vebzilla.
Can't wait!
Cheers
BMF
Now I just need to sell by month old POG, unused Digitech EX-7 and As new Vebzilla.
Can't wait!
Cheers
BMF
badmelonfarmer
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Hi All,
The PitchFactor manual is up and so is the preset chart!!
YAY!!!
MAN THIS IS NOT HELPING ME CONTAIN MY EXCITEMENT!!
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From Presets....
13.1 Wyld Stalions Solo..... LOVE IT!!!!
Been told that they will be hitting the streets within 2 weeks in the UK!!
Cheers
BMF
The PitchFactor manual is up and so is the preset chart!!
YAY!!!
MAN THIS IS NOT HELPING ME CONTAIN MY EXCITEMENT!!
(link removed)
From Presets....
13.1 Wyld Stalions Solo..... LOVE IT!!!!
Been told that they will be hitting the streets within 2 weeks in the UK!!
Cheers
BMF
