Any players you like that play off time sometimes or aren't tight?

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  1. Greggorios

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    +1, yeah Keith was my first thought too. Keith really created his own distinct style around it, playing just before or after the beat.
     
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    If you get a chance to record yourself playing into a computer, you can look at it against the grid of bars and beats. You can even use software to correct the timing and make it 'perfect'. But 9 out of 10, in my case, 'perfect' = worse.
     
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    Timing...is.... overrated. Tight bands lean toward the sterile side. I like it loose, but not too loose. Golden Earring comes to mind.
     
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    His songwriting helped...

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    Its strange but I never thought of swinging the beat or playing behind the beat to be playing off time, but I guess some people do consider that to be the case. Back when my buddy told me I was playing off time and should play to a click, I thought to myself, " yeah, if i wanted to sound like huey lewis and the news!" lol
     
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    Indeed it did.
     
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    Lightnin' Hopkins.

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    I'm pretty sure there's a difference between deliberately playing ahead or behind the beat (or with varying amounts of "swing") and playing off time. At least I'm pretty sure there is. Sometimes you've gotta play ahead or behind or the guitar part just doesn't fit. I noticed some of this when I was listening to Weezer's blue album not too long ago. The main rhythm guitar part is often ahead of the beat slightly and the drums are often slightly behind. But it gives the tracks a fantastic sense of urgency and drive.

    If your friend is saying you're just sloppy, sure, break out the metronome! But if you're just playing deliberately late or early to change feel, then you're just doing what a good guitarist does.
     
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    Good music's all about tension and release. That can be done melodically or rhythmically.

    Monk does both.

     
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    I was dragging on "Telstar"...not clicking... then I started anticipating the beat instead of waiting for it... the song took off.

    I do tend to play late when not called for, working on that.
     
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    Most of the great players of all instruments, drummers included, can play in front of, on, and behind the beat depending in the lies they are playing and the effect they want. I'm not talking about an inability to keep to the beat, which is a fatal flaw; I'm talking about deliberately placing your notes is spots that are not metronomically always on the beat. Jazz saxophonists, for ex., famously do this while weaving long melodic lines.
     
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    I play leads a bit behind the beat - gives me time to think about what I'm doing next, only need part of a second, sometimes go in and out of time intentionally and know when to "rest" rather than blow my brains out all over the place.

    Asked the drummer in my Blues band about that. He's a world-wide record producer, approx 300 CD releases with various artists in French and English Quebec plus Europe and elsewhere.

    Told me point blank I'm a lucky guy because not everyone is able to drag back like that.

    Gives slow Blues and other material better "feel" IMO....more "soul" is the term we used way back.
     
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    Monk's piano solo starts around 5:20.

     
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    I know what you mean, I used to think mick taylor for instance, played alot busier than he actually did on the stones stuff.
     
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    I've always pitied the drummers who had to play with him...no idea how they did it.



     
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    Clearly this is the root of your problem.

    You need to switch to calling it jazz. Then a lack to time can be explained as your "interpretation." No one will argue against your ability to express in that manner. You don't need to change what you play, just what you call it.

    :D


    Full disclosure...I'm primarily a jazz guitarist. Though some have other words for it.
     
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    yeah, I think my problem may be that playing off time sounds good to me lol. This sounds great to my ears. If some of it is off time, I didn't notice. To me it just sounds funky
     
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