I had heard them before a while ago, but just started really getting into them about 2 years ago. They got me through some really hard times, and probably still more to come. The drumming especially later on is so cool, but they allways had a cool sense of rythmn. I love that tribal vibe they had. In some ways, I kind of prefer them to Joy Division and PIL. Can you believe they got that sound out of a gibson hollow body? so chimey and heavy at the same time.