Any kayakers here?

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  1. raf

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    Looking to buy my first fishing kayak. Something stable for a 250# person. Something affordable & easy to transport in/on my jeep wrangler. Help??
     
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    Do you live near a Cabelas?

    They sell a brand called Emotion that is roto molded in WI. The Guster is a nice 10' boat. I have a Guster and we weigh the same amount.

    http://www.cabelas.com/product/EMOTION-GUSTER-KAYAK/1804142.uts


    They list for $309 but they are on sale frequently for $249. We have 4 of them and the boys and I can fit 6' ultralight rods inside the boat next to our seats. Sometimes we fish. Sometimes we paddle and go swimming. The seat is comfy. Very low center of gravity. They weigh 42 pounds.

    Lots of fun.
     
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    . Thanks - I've been reading ride-in vs ride-on info. You chose a ride-in model & have 4 of them, so you obviously like them. Any roll issues? Is the Guster pretty stable in boat wakes, etc? Since I'm a newbie, I'm trying to eliminate any unknowns.
     
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    I paddled a Perception Dancer for 8 years, but that's useless to you.
    I would always use a ride in as opposed to a ride on , well that's because I assume you are lower in the water, making it less likely to tip over.
    Learn to get out when you tip over
     
  5. AndyLowry

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    I'm not, but I'd like to be. I'm going to stay tuned to this thread so that I can learn more about them.
     
  6. H. Mac

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    I have a 10 foot Wilderness Systems sit-on-top kayak. It's stable to the point that I can't tip it, even deliberately, and even when loaded with camping gear. I've even stood up on it and rocked to try to flip it and it didn't even come close. No kidding.

    I've used it in lakes, rivers, rapids, everything, and no problem.

    It's also really comfortable, (and comfort is important); has easy to reach storage space and bottle holders (also important); has cleats and cubbies for securing your stuff; weighs only about 50 pounds and is balanced so that it's easy to cartop or carry; is self-bailing, etc.

    I've had. 5 or 6 kayaks since the early '70s, and like this one the best.

    Check YouTube for info on any kayak that you consider. Good luck with your search !
     
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    I have a 10ft. sit on top yak. I live in an area that has a river & many creeks that makes it easy to be on the water not long after work for an evening float; a relaxing way to end a hard day at work. We also have many creeks & rivers within a 200 mile radius that we frequent on day trips. A few weeks ago me & some coworkers went to Wakulla Springs FL on a beautiful section of the Wakulla River, where we were able to see several manatees. A great way to sight-see if you enjoy wildlife & nature.
     
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    The best advice for you is to find a specialist kayak/canoe store, not a sporting goods store that only tends to stock low end models, and go talk to them.

    Much will depend on what kind of water you plan to go out on - flat calm lakes, larger lakes where wakes from power boats can be significant, fast flowing rivers?

    Kayaks are a huge compromise in design. Longer kayaks allow you to paddle faster but are more difficult to maneuver. Wider kayaks are more stable but give you less control. Fishing kayaks tend to be fairly short (10-14') and quite wide (28-30"). They are all very stable to the point where you can probably stand up in them on flat water.

    Sit on tops (SOTs) are pretty much unsinkable, but you are higher off the water and get hit by the wind a little more. You'll also tend to get wetter in them. Sit Insides (SINs) are more efficient and offer more protection from water and weather but there may not be enough space inside the cockpit for fishing gear.

    I don't have a fishing kayak (I have a 12' recreational kayak with a big cockpit for warm days on flat water and a 17' sea kayak for the ocean) but if I was looking for a fishing boat I'd check out something like a Wilderness Systems Tarpon 120, rated for up to 350lbs...

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    But again, a good local store will probably have better recommendations for your specific requirements and the water you'll be fishing on. They will probably also have boats you can try out, and rent for a day.

    You should also go over to http://www.paddling.net/ and ask your question there. A lot of very experienced kayakers hang out there.
     
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    I'd also consider an inflatable, just for ease of transport & general fun -- but I live in a whitewater place.
     
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    My in-laws have sit on top models and I find them to be very uncomfortable. Your butt and your ankles are at the same height which is uncomfortable for me. I may not be very limber but it's like sitting on a flat floor and paddling. It hurts my back to try to lean forward while paddling with my feet up so high.

    The sit in models place your butt about 3-4 inches higher than your ankles and it makes a big comfort difference for me......almost like I'm sitting on a low chair and my legs go downward.

    I scuba dive and I have a camera that I take diving. I always have that camera in my lap and I have an ultralight fishing rod in my boat. This will sound goofy but the boys and I bought 5 pound free weights (like a weight lifter would use) tied to 20 feet of nylon cord we keep those inside out kayaks. If we find a nice fishing spot we can Frisbee them away from the kayak and anchor or drag/anchor and fish. I like to be able to keep a few things in the boat. You can't do that with a sit on top kayak.

    You're not going to roll that thing on a lake or in a gentle river. Your rear end is so low that the little boat becomes very stable. They are not tippy once you sit down. They feel very safe and comfortable. I've had ski boats go past me and make considerable wake and it just rolls under you. It's fun. You're not going tip at all.

    My Guster. This is what they look like. See the seat? Comfy....

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    These weights are $4.50 at Walmart. Poly coated steel. It's really stupid (I know) but this is our crazy low profile anchor system. They slide right under the seats. The price was right!

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    nature is the reason I am interested...
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    I thought I'd have a lot to say, but I'm a whitewater boater.

    I will say this, I love Jackson Kayaks, and they make some cool looking fishing boats too.
     
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    I think that's a great idea. It's simple, easy and inexpensive. What's not to like about that!
     
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    I have a Mirage 580 Kevlar layup & a cheaper plastic (Heritage) kayak.

    I gave up about 12 months back when I had a capsize and got severley dunked as I got caught up in my lifejacket & rigging lines.

    I was running a sail and underestimated the power of this small sail on a tippy kayak.

    Managed to slowly 'swim' myself & the upturned, waterlogged kayak back to shore. Exhausted !

    Must say, it put me off a bit although I might dig them out again come summer.
     
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    Yeah, the Dancer is about as narrow as any design we ever had, extraordinarily small cockpit by any standards but especially today, and intended for a guy about 155 pounds.

    However, there are some whitewater designs that came along later that could be amazingly cheap and would suit a 250 pound guy. For example, a Vortex by Dagger. Much less tippy side to side, and so cheap used you could take a torch to the polyester and modify it to add storage fore or aft.

    The other possibility is a later planing hull designs (not the displacement hull) and those have a real large amount of "initial stability".

    Yes, the "fishing kayaks" are cheaper new than the whitewater playboats, but when you can find a useful craft for $ 100 or less that once was marketed as a whitewater boat, you gotta give it some consideration.
     
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    Yeah, but Eric's one of the newest brands out there. Most of his designs are so hot, I can't imagine getting one cheap unless it had been damaged then fixed or something. Plus, Eric Jackson is a little bitty guy - he doesn't identify with really large guys in his designing, I don't think.
     
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    I have an Old Town Pack solo canoe that I use. It handles anything from the TN river to flatwater creeks, even class II-III whitewater. Although unless you are an experienced whitewater paddler I would not rec OP try that right away.
    It's 12' , 38lbs, 1 seat. Capacity is 500-600 lb.
    nowadays they sell em w a fishing package (rod holder, slightly lowered seat for ease of 2 bladed kayak paddle use, anchor system) which I'd recommend. Thinking about upgrading mine.
    It will turn over on you so you do need to learn how to paddle it. But it's light, fast, and maneuverable & can haul quite a bit of gear.
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    One of my boating buddies is pretty big, I'd guess around 300lbs, and he paddles Jacksons - a super hero and a mon-star. EJ does make some models for bigger dudes, not sure on the fishing end of the spectrum though.
     
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    Our local REI will occassionally hold a kayak demo..they bring various models out to a lake in town and let people try them out...if you have an REI in your area you might look and see if they have anything like that...

    Ive been ocean kayaking a few times...once got into some large swell which was a bit unsettling and have been trying to talk my wife into doing some guided whitewater kayaking...weve got a few places that start out gentle and then become increasingly difficult...with haul outs along the way so you can go as far as your comfort level lets you
     
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