Any chance this is legit?

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  1. teletail

    teletail Friend of Leo's

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    I hate to be "that" guy. The one I always make fun of for thinking there is a free lunch. BUT, this is a cool looking guitar and I was wondering if anyone would be so bold as to offer an opinion. :D

    https://reverb.com/item/40690464-chris-fleming-master-built-thinline-mahogany-body?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=ad&utm_campaign=23844832322250455&utm_content=23844832322780455&utm_term=Caro - Make Music - No Overlay&fbclid=IwAR1D5EYzwIgq2eJ1yz43sbDjssG0806btEra-P7y6etWQuyEPilcUS_ZucM

    I did a google search and did find a similar headstock on a Fleming master built, but I didn't see ANY with the Fleming decal and the price seems to low to be true.

    Opinions appreciated and deserved mocking accepted.
     
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    I don't have any information on what Chris Fleming is doing now. There is a website under construction, but he may have ventured out on his own now. He was doing a lot for the Fender Ensenada factory, but that has been for a while. What you are looking at may be a prototype, but perhaps others have more information than I have.
     
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  3. notroHnhoJ

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    That is clearly the original bridge pickup, this seems like some kind of setup.
     
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    I guess it could be "legit", though the case is from the 80s.
    Maybe it was made before he joined Fender?
    I'd venture that if he has moved out on his own, his guitars wouldn't be in the <$1000 range...

    This one looks like an 80s Fender Bullet-
    https://reverb.com/item/31148982-chris-fleming-strato-jr-sunburst

    Maybe it's a different "Chris Fleming"?
     
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    Maybe Kris Fleming?? :D
     
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    It's a guitar with an elaborate, unverifiable backstory.
     
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    idk...
     
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    If Fleming built that he would not have used an F-stamped neck plate because it implies it was made under the Fender brand.

    I think the actual builder (seller?) assembled the guitar from fleabay parts and included the F plate to lend some fake provenance to the guitar. That's not how the business works and is a pretty good giveaway that it's not what the seller claims it to be.

    I'd value that at around $400 if all the parts are primo and the quality of assembly is very good.
     
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    Yea, after a second look, he doesn’t claim it was a Fender or even Fleming build. He only claims that the body was built by Fleming. Cool looking, but not $1,100 cool.
     
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    hinky
     
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    The seller is definitely implying the whole guitar is made by Chris Fleming. Where does it state only the body is built by Fleming? I suppose the title could be ambiguous, but doesn't say it's body only.
     
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    You're being very nice.

    I have some expensive test equipment here in the lab, and that ad pegged the needle on this meter:

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    The body appears to be Fender from late 60's early 70's with a Fleming neck. The body looks exactly like an Aria Thinline that I owned in the mid 1980's.

    This appears to be a Partscaster at best. $300-$500. Unless you can get authentic documentation from Chris Fleming then I would run from this guitar.
    I agree with the meter reading above.
     
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    He doesn’t say that only the body is built by Fleming, but he only states that the body is built by Fleming, implying, as you said, that the rest is also built by him, but he doesn’t actually say it is.
     
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    Finally some empirical evidence!
     
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    The seller is in Seagoville, TX., which is southeast of Dallas.

    I looked it up on Google Maps, and sure enough...this seller's supplier is just south of town.

    How's THAT for empirical avidence?

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    That is really odd. I have a “oddcaster” built by Chris Fleming as the story goes as he was a apprentice at the custom shop in 2001. I was also told it had Alan Hamel pickups and John English assisted Chris when he first started working with the custom shop. Ok cool. I didn’t care because the guitar was insanely cool.

    A year or so later I searched Chris Fleming on LinkedIn and find his profile and timeline. So the story I was told about my “oddcaster” kinda checks out. It has no serial numbers but does have his signature on the neck heel and initials in “CWF” in the pickup cavity.

    Now onto this guitar in question. If this timeline is correct when would Chris have built this and you think they’re would be a least a signature somewhere. 655150C9-9C8A-4ECE-A847-32BCD9D7FE4B.png 9A99685D-1924-4A66-8D79-E0F20747567F.jpeg
     
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    "I believe the neck pup is Fishman but not sure as this is what the widow said." So the "widow" knows about Fishman pickups, but not the value of supposed "master built" guitars? ;)

    Has to be a different "Chris Fleming", since these are all from a small part of Texas.

    https://reverb.com/marketplace?query=Chris Fleming&sort=price|desc
     
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    FWIW,

    The green "Fleming" writing doesn't appear to be the same writing as C.W Fleming posted by Fender-guy - link to my cert from C.W Fleming below

    https://imgur.com/gallery/mwJTc2B



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    I suppose anything is possible, but it's a good idea to always remember "if it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true".
     
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