Another Large Predator...

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  1. chet again

    chet again Tele-Afflicted

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    may be lurking near my area.

    I first noticing deer hair and then a hide near the range I use on a nearby indian reservation. Then one day there was a rib cage that was picked clean there too. I didn't think too much of it at the time. That was about a month and a half ago.

    This week I went to a spot I found a couple of shed antlers in the past. It's in back of a field at the bottom of a hill. The hill has some trees and it's next to a couple of larger hills that are part of the bluffs that line the Missouri River. Nebraska Hwy. 75 is just on the other side of the hill to the west and the reservation town is right on the other side of the highway.

    I was crossing the edge of the field and noticed the leg bones of one then two deer on the edge of the field along with more tufts of deer hair. You could tell where the kill was made but no antlers or deer head. A lower jaw bone was around though.

    I walked around the bottom of the hill and found a spot where there looked to be a wide area where there looked to be a pretty good scuffle. The leaves had been cleared from the ground and there was a carcass of a dead horse there. Parts of it's leg were scattered around so I know it was a horse. Some people let their horses free range around this area.

    I'm getting someone to go with me this week and see how many more carcasses are around. I saw a lot of spots where deer hair was laying around where a kill had been made and the carcass had been taken somewhere else to consume a few years ago when I went shed hunting.

    I'll post a pic of the horse carcass in a couple of days.
     
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    do you think its in the cat family?

    i can't imagine a bear going for a horse.

    i have no idea what you have in Iowa.

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    Just did a google on your state. Says it's not unusual for a bear to wander into Iowa and that mountain lions are present as well.
     
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    Could be a troll? :lol:
     
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    Sasquatch...:eek:....
     
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    You guys in the US are always freaked out by the critters of Oz....:p

    Can't think of anything big enough to take down a live horse and rip it apart in the bush, down here.......:eek:
     
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    a sick dying horse maybe.... or a big mob of them to run it down....

    wild pigs would be the main worry for sure...
     
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    A croc would take down a horse if it was in the river, wouldn't it?
     
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    Yep, and cows too....

    not going to happen around Gilgandra, though...or in the Peel for that matter...;)
     
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    A hoard of marauding European Carp could do it if they were hungry enough. :D
     
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    suck the flesh right off you, those...:lol:
     
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    Chupacabra, likely wandered up from south of the border. Shoot to kill if you get the chance.
     
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    I'd guess wild dogs, coyotes, or mountain lion(s) given your geo-posit. When a youngster in Iowa, my father and I often hunted wild dogs for some local hog farmers. I hunt coyotes here in E. TN for two cattle farmers (getting at the calves). That said, lions have been increasing their territory in the U.S., so I would not discount that possibility. The other possible is there are poachers taking the time to try and make it look like an animal kill, but that seems out of character. It sounds like you are on the right track to solve the mystery if you take another set of eyes with you to examine the sign. A game/trail camera might yield some interesting shots if you have access to one and don't mind leaving it on public land. Happy hunting!
     
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    Chet,
    I’m not doubting you at all.
    But I have no idea what would predate on horses and deer.
    I’d be curious to know.
    Next time you go there try and hunt up some tracks. Bear, hog, Mountain lion whatever.

    May I ask, are you sure these critters didn’t die of natural causes?
    Numerous scavenger possibilities exist to include domestic dogs.
    Animals scavenging a carcass would leave similar sign as that of a scuffle.
    Pics of tracks if y’all find any please
     
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    Could be Aliens...:eek:
     
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    wolves ,mountain lion or pack of coyote? Had a pack take down big buck in my back yard a few winters ago. could tell by the snow on the ground blood every where.Heard the attack in the middle of the night. Coyote are back big time.
     
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    It will either leaves tracks or fly .
     
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    ...or maybe the Gobbledock. :lol:
     
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    Coyotes don’t normally bother horses. My horses are out amongst coyotes all the time. The coyotes avoid them and mostly feed on small rodents.

    Mountain Lions usually repent very quickly after attempting an attack on a horse, which they rarely do. They prefer smaller prey, and even when they attack deer, they go for smaller, weaker ones.

    Black bear are extremely unlikely to go after a horse, and a deer would be a rare target.

    The horse must have been old, weak, starving, or sick if one of the predators common to Iowa did it.

    My suspicions would include humans or an uncommon predator that has wandered out of its usual range.

    A Grizzly would attack a horse. But he’d be far out of his range in Iowa. A wolf pack might attempt it, and you are bordering on Minnesota, but the preponderance of their diet is rodents.

    The horse and the deer are not necessarily related. Any tracks? I’d scour the area for tracks and scat, and look for fur lost in the struggle with the prey. I’d also examine the prey and try to determine specifically how it died. Neck damage? Abdomen damage? That kind of information can help narrow things down.

    And of course, cameras, as has been suggested.

    Maybe its a velociraptor from a population that had managed to avoid detection. In that case, I’d get hold of a .458 Winchester Magnum and not wander in the wilderness without it. :lol:
     
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