The History Channel.
Bah!
It could be so much more than it is.
What was that somebody said about a "vast wasteland?"
Bah!
It could be so much more than it is.
What was that somebody said about a "vast wasteland?"
Ancient Aliens
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I've been DVR-ing the series. It's interesting but it's such a stretch. They jump to such wild conclusions. It also seems like they are trying to tie everything they can think of, into their one theory. They are trying to explain every mystery in the history of our world(from creation to Hitler) with alien intervention. It would be a better show if they would make it a little more plausible. But, I guess they wouldn't have a series then.
Mike Simpson
Doctor of Teleocity
I DVR them as well. I find the questions posed interesting and it is often curious how thing were built in the past. I am particularly interested in the Mayan culture and civilization for some unknown reason. Many things don't seem to have an obvious explanation. The guy with the big hair is a nut and detracts from the series... would someone on the set please comb the guys hair? The theories that are a silly stretch detract from the show and I think they should just pose the questions and drop the crazy theories. The series would be better served to have a host from a popular sci-fi show like one of the Star Trek shows or maybe Samuel L Jackson...
In a college class we read "Chariots of the Gods," one of the original Ancient Alien Woo Woo books and pretty much went through it claim by claim looking up the references, trying to determine if there was ANYTHING there, anything at all.
We concluded that Erich von Däniken wasn't even wrong.
People write and produce books and electric television shows about ancient aliens for the same reason they write and produce books and TV shows about 22 November 1963 in Dallas...for the money.
There is a saying, "The roads to Dealy Plaza are paved with gold."
The same can be said about roads leading to the pyramids and Stonehenge.
I reckon that now you know how I feel about this stuff!
We concluded that Erich von Däniken wasn't even wrong.
People write and produce books and electric television shows about ancient aliens for the same reason they write and produce books and TV shows about 22 November 1963 in Dallas...for the money.
There is a saying, "The roads to Dealy Plaza are paved with gold."
The same can be said about roads leading to the pyramids and Stonehenge.
I reckon that now you know how I feel about this stuff!
+1
Science Fiction is better as an entertainment source than a knowledge source. That said, I did both learn how to rob a train and how to fly a spaceship by watching Firefly.
Science Fiction is better as an entertainment source than a knowledge source. That said, I did both learn how to rob a train and how to fly a spaceship by watching Firefly.
I sort of like this show and enjoy the premise, but boy do they make wild leaps to conect the dots.
not really different to most currently excepted scientific theories....
Look at the premise you have to buy into to except string theory......
From memory there needs to be 27 different dimensions for it to validate...
the big bang theory...everything in the universe burst forth from a massive explosion that errupted from nothing...(theory recently amended to include a brief pause before the bang)
Dark matter is another, it only exists on paper as a necessary ingredient for a another theory that otherwise doesn't work.
personally, I'll put my money on proving there are aliens before we can discover 27 different dimensions...
hekawi
Doctor of Teleocity
i'm confused. does this mean he was right?!
slack
Friend of Leo's
Dark matter is not a theory. There is all kinds of evidence that dark matter comprises most mass in the Universe. We can "see" its influence. But so far, we can't "see" it. When it comes to what dark matter is, there are theories...
Exactly. Until we have hard, direct evidence that dark matter exists, it's only a theory. It handily explains a lot of observed phenomena, but it's still a theory.
slack
Friend of Leo's
Huh? Exactly what? Dark matter is not a theory (and Wikipedia does not count as thorough research). There is hard, direct evidence that dark matter exists. With regard to what dark matter is, you get into theories.
I could cite numerous reference material, but this is aptly titled:
Is Dark Matter Theory or Fact?
Scientific American - June 15, 1998
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-dark-matter-theory-or
"Dark matter is known to exist through the gravitational effect it exerts on visible matter in the universe."
I don't know what you're getting at with the Wikipedia reference, but the observed behavior of visible matter does not constitute direct evidence of the existence of dark matter. It's a widely accepted theory, but it's not the only theory.
Can Cosmic Structure Form without Dark Matter?
When Herman and Larson say "Dark matter is known to exist through the gravitational effect it exerts on visible matter in the universe," all they're really saying is "We know there must be a cause to the observed effects, and we choose to call it Dark Matter."
But, as you say yourself, there's no agreement on what Dark Matter is. So I could just as easily say "I choose to call the cause Invisible Gremlins, and I present as proof of the existence of Invisible Gremlins the effect they exert on visible matter." And I suppose you could then read that as saying the existence of Invisible Gremlins is not a theory.
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jefrs
Doctor of Teleocity
The really nice one was when Thor Heyerdahl asked the Easter Islanders how they put the statues up, an so they erected one for him, without modern tools. Doh!
We know how these great stones were erected, even 50 tonne sarcens, lots of people, ropes, shovels and hard work. Archaeological evidence. What starts as a theory gets proven, but we continue call it somebody or other's theory long afterwards.
There is a lot of new scientific evidence appearing recently in favour of dark matter, and by evidence we mean hard facts.
If something is eating your vegetables at night and you can't see them doing it? Let's say we call these things slugs. The fact that you never see them at it doesn't mean they don't exist. We can deduce slugs have been at work from the evidence.
We know how these great stones were erected, even 50 tonne sarcens, lots of people, ropes, shovels and hard work. Archaeological evidence. What starts as a theory gets proven, but we continue call it somebody or other's theory long afterwards.
There is a lot of new scientific evidence appearing recently in favour of dark matter, and by evidence we mean hard facts.
If something is eating your vegetables at night and you can't see them doing it? Let's say we call these things slugs. The fact that you never see them at it doesn't mean they don't exist. We can deduce slugs have been at work from the evidence.
Bill Gates
Banned
Check out the movie, The Objective very cool movie. With subject matter involving Vimanas.http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1278673689/
MrAstro
Tele-Afflicted
Dark matter reminds me of Aether - the magical stuff that scientists conjured up to explain what permeated outer space before they realised it's actually a vacuum.
Bolide
Friend of Leo's
Someone should invite Giorgio A. Tsoukalos to watch the process by which many large vessels including warships are launched.
The ship is initially built on fixed shoring structures, keel-blocks and such, but as the hull nears completion a temporary structure called a cradle is assembled around and under it, the cradle resting on a bed of grease (biodegradable stuff made from peanuts, one of those things we studied about George Washington Carver) on top of the slipways.
The trick now is, "How do you go about shifting an entire ship from the keel-blocks to the cradle?"
In a bull gang rally, teams of men swinging bull-hammers (in some yards lengths of railroad tie size lumber with rope handles) bang massive wedges, lifting the ship millimeter by millimeter until hundreds of tons of ship is raised up off the keel-blocks, and onto the cradle. No cranes required to move hundreds of tons, just ancient technology and manpower, lots and lots of manpower.
And then at launch time, when the champagne bottle goes splat, a man pushes a lever, which is connected to another lever, which jogs another lever, first bumping the ship slighlty up the ramp, then gravity does the rest, pulling the ship down.
These techniques have been traced all the way to ancient Phoenicia, moving a twenty ton stone would have been easy compared to this.
The ship is initially built on fixed shoring structures, keel-blocks and such, but as the hull nears completion a temporary structure called a cradle is assembled around and under it, the cradle resting on a bed of grease (biodegradable stuff made from peanuts, one of those things we studied about George Washington Carver) on top of the slipways.
The trick now is, "How do you go about shifting an entire ship from the keel-blocks to the cradle?"
Bull Gang Rally
In a bull gang rally, teams of men swinging bull-hammers (in some yards lengths of railroad tie size lumber with rope handles) bang massive wedges, lifting the ship millimeter by millimeter until hundreds of tons of ship is raised up off the keel-blocks, and onto the cradle. No cranes required to move hundreds of tons, just ancient technology and manpower, lots and lots of manpower.
And then at launch time, when the champagne bottle goes splat, a man pushes a lever, which is connected to another lever, which jogs another lever, first bumping the ship slighlty up the ramp, then gravity does the rest, pulling the ship down.
These techniques have been traced all the way to ancient Phoenicia, moving a twenty ton stone would have been easy compared to this.
Telarkaster
Friend of Leo's
I always liked "Stone Temple Pilots" as a name for a group.
nalod
Tele-Meister
not really different to most currently excepted scientific theories....
Look at the premise you have to buy into to except string theory......
From memory there needs to be 27 different dimensions for it to validate...
the big bang theory...everything in the universe burst forth from a massive explosion that errupted from nothing...(theory recently amended to include a brief pause before the bang)
Dark matter is another, it only exists on paper as a necessary ingredient for a another theory that otherwise doesn't work.
personally, I'll put my money on proving there are aliens before we can discover 27 different dimensions...
Excellent post.
I remember talking to an officemate who claimed that anti-matter was "only a theory". I pointed out that antimatter is used by humans every day: The P in PET Scan is for positron, the anti-electron. That's not what he meant, he retorted. Oh yeah, hold on a minute whilst I move my goal posts.
