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- Dec 31, 2004
- Hackettstown, NJ
Actually in Vox's VTX (valvetronic series) the 12AX7 was used in the power amp section and the pre amp was solid state. I had A VTX50?? at one time and used it extensively. It sounded decent and although billed as a modeling amp, it could be worked like a non modeler by just going into manual mode. A nice feature was the attenuater in the rear which went from 50 watts to 1/4 watt- I think. These were really decent, versatile and cheap. It has 22 amp models which were ok but infinitely tweakable along with usable effects. However these were as heavy as a comparable tube amp and built like a tank. I named it the Beast. I ended up leaving it at the church so anyone who needed an amp was free to use it. Darn near indestructible. It had really decent overdrive and distortion. I have never played metal so have no opinion there. I agree Peavey's trantubes are very usuable and practical.80's Analog Peavey Transtubes can be very usable. Not the heavy distortion settings, but I like the lighter stuff. Metal guys might like the heavy settings.
I recently tried a Cambridge 15. Whoo hoo. This thing is fantastic. As close to tube distortion as I've ever heard from an SS amp. Might be the hands down winner. Minimal, light, mid, heavy, it's all good. This was the beginning of VOX using a 12AX7 in the preamp (later named Valvetronix) to produce tube amp distortion. They hit it. It also has chimey VOX highs.
I'd guess this means that the other VOX Valvetronix amps are similarly good. But I haven't actually tried any of them yet.
That pretty much negates the entire reason for this thread, though.If you want distortion/OD you can actually CONTROL, plug your favorite pedal of that flavor into the clean channel and go from there. My Roland Blues Cube Stage has a decent "Dirty" channel, and I use it sometimes, but I prefer my OD box through the clean channel for really dialing in a sound.
I have a Quilter Mach 3, which has both US and UK-=based sounds. The UK sounds in the Mach 3 (TOP BST and PLEXI) sound great to me, especially at low-mid gain levels which is usually where non-tube amps fail to shine.I have the same amp, and very much prefer its clean sounds over the dirty ones, and think it's also an example of a great pedal platform.
For that reason, it has me curious as to if there's a Quilter amp that really does excel specifically at dirty, overdriven tones. I have a feeling that the Superblock UK might be such an animal, but have yet to experience it for myself.
Don't listen to anyone who says the dirt on the Cubes isn't very good to great. It is. 90% of the time, in my band, I use the dirt channel exclusively, cranked, with my Artist. For "dirty clean" I use an OD into the clean channel. So that gives me clean, dirty clean, and dirty. And I'm using the Ultimate Blues Tone Capsule, which has more difference between the clean and dirty channels than stock.That pretty much negates the entire reason for this thread, though.
I think we're all in agreement that there are plenty of SS amps that make great pedal platforms via their clean channels. I've got a few of them myself.
That's good to know. Based on at least one of the videos for the UK, it really seems like the potential is there, to the point where I've contemplated getting a SB UK just to confirm it for myself.I have a Quilter Mach 3, which has both US and UK-=based sounds. The UK sounds in the Mach 3 (TOP BST and PLEXI) sound great to me, especially at low-mid gain levels which is usually where non-tube amps fail to shine.
By "riding the volume knob" I assume you basically mean getting feedback sustain from amp volume?I always love that sweet seeing sustain that Carlos got. Back long before the Internet, rumor had it that "that guy" at Mesa was customizing amps for him. So we always figured it was sweet, overdriven, custom Mesa with a BMPi on the front end giving him that sustain.
I was shocked to see a video years later and learn later on that not only was it solid-state sound with Carlos plugged directly into the amp, but the sustain was actually just Carlos riding the volume knob.
Based on the verbiage that I've read, it looks like Roland uses a hybrid analog and DSP approach both in the preamp and the power amp.Roland is very cagey about whether the Blues Cube involves digital sampling. They never come out and say it does, and they never say it doesn't. A statement like "In the Blues Cube, the preamp section uses a [blah blah blah] to preserve the pure guitar signal as it travels throughout the circuit" implies the analog guitar signal is not being converted to digital. But then they throw in "Tube Logic – a marriage of solid-state analog technology and DSP," which implies the analog signal is being converted to digital for specific tone-shaping jobs. I strongly suspect the wavy analog signal is converted to 1s and 0s for at least part of its journey through the amp, but Roland doesn't want to come out and say that because they know a portion of the market immediately assumes digital = junk no matter what their ears and fingers tell them.
I couldn't care less. My Boss Drive Special is simply glorious. As satisfying as any tube amp I've played, without any tubes to fret over or heavy transformers to schlep.
I haven't because the thing sounds FANTASTIC. So I don't care. I haven't pulled the chassis on my Hot Cat either, LOL.I'm surprised that more owners haven't pulled the chassis to see just what kind of processors are on the PCB.
I certainly don't. I bought the Artists for 3 reasons:Since it's SS one way or the other, I don't think the average user would care that much.
i havent made it through all 8 pages yet. but to me the issue with both using an amp with ss distortion or any hard driven tube amp for break up is the lack of a effects loop. i dont know a lot about all the amps mentioned but the orange crush 35rt is the only smaller one with a loop that ive seen. its nice if an amp has reverb. and i love tremelo. but if u start adding delay/chorus/flanger while using distortion, it will distort those. that might not matter to some. but after using my wet effects with an effects loop for a bit, i can hear the difference and prefer those wet effects to not get the distorted signal after. they sound muddy and distorted and then also louder. they become less subtle as i mostly use them.Yes, it does, and that's been well established with a multitude of threads about SS amps that make great pedal platforms.
OTOH, having a definitive list of SS amps that require no pedals at all, and sound great on their OD channels, seems to be a much less common discussion.
The Roland BC Artist has an effects loop- a great one- I use it. The Tour has one, and the Stage might also.i havent made it through all 8 pages yet. but to me the issue with both using an amp with ss distortion or any hard driven tube amp for break up is the lack of a effects loop. i dont know a lot about all the amps mentioned but the orange crush 35rt is the only smaller one with a loop that ive seen. its nice if an amp has reverb. and i love tremelo. but if u start adding delay/chorus/flanger while using distortion, it will distort those. that might not matter to some. but after using my wet effects with an effects loop for a bit, i can hear the difference and prefer those wet effects to not get the distorted signal after. they sound muddy and distorted and then also louder. they become less subtle as i mostly use them.
I watched alot of demos, and bought mine mail-order (no one had one locally), but this video is the one that made me pull the trigger:
Had the Fender Tonemaster been out then, I might have tried the Super Reverb, but I love the Roland, still, after 2 years playing it with the band.