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Amps you do not like or think or overrated

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by Mfisher, Mar 14, 2011.

  1. JDRNoPro

    JDRNoPro Friend of Leo's

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    Those two amps should be the same internally, and I truly think that overall, all the Reissue series amps are very consistent.

    However.........there can be differences like you heard because of different factory tube bias settings (often to "cold" and lifeless sounding).......or condition of speaker break-in, etc.
     
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    Really? WOW!
     
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    Any solid state amp... they just sound dead.
     
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    makes sense JDRNopro. thanx for reading. i suppose its the little things
     
  5. ac15

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    Funny how you're shocked that someone wouldn't think a Princeton or Champ is awesome, yet you have decided all solid state amps suck. I'm 100% certain that there are solid state amps that sound better than those amps.

    Just because you haven't heard them doesn't mean they don't exist.
     
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    Said it many a time....Marshall Class 5
     
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    I really wanted to love my Egnater Rebel 20 lunch box amp. Had it for a year or so and really tried to like it but it just wasn't cutting it. Sold it and bought a Mesa TA15 to replace it. I've loved this amp from the get go. Well worth the extra ducat's.
     
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    I can't believe I'm the first one to mention the Roland JC-120. No offense to those that play through them but I can't stand it--for me it's one of the most sterile, tinny, amusical, OK...just plain terrible sounding amps ever made. I can't understand how this thing is still on the market more than 30 years after its introduction.
     
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    You are not alone. It's certainly not the "clean" I know and love.
    It is very much an "80's" sounding amp to me too.
     
  10. Warm Gums

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    They do somethings very well, they are deregurre for most styles of Afro pop, and are quite popular with some reggae players.
    It's not a country clean ( and not a traditional jazz sound,...i think something was lost in translation) and that can be disconcerting.
    The " sterile tinny ness" is a attribute when you need to project muted chords into a large space, with some clarity, and you don't want to work real hard less your strumming hand give out 15 min in to a 3 hour gig.

    They are also tough as old boots, which is a plus in areas with fluxing current, long rides ontop of vehicles driving over rough roads etc.
     
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    I've tried TONS and TONS of solid state amps... I just don't like their sound.

    Remember buddy.. this is a forum and each member is entitled to their own opinion.. what's with the edgyness around here??? God!

    IMO a tube amp sounds better than a solid state amp any day... there I said it! Kill me!
     
  12. Warm Gums

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    Umm .....
    obviously never played the Crate V 5 lol
     
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    jakedog, you took the words right out of my mouth. And said it more perfectly then I could ever have!!
     
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    Edginess? I was expressing my opinion - ya know, that thing we're allegedly entitled to.

    For the record, I don't own solid state amps. I just happen to know that there are great ones, and that Champs and Princeton's aren't necessarily more awesome than everything else (including all solid state amps).

    There I said it.
     
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    We used to use JC 120 and 160 for guitar and rhodes piano in a jazz band. I always thought they sounded great. Clean, powerful and not sterile at all. YMMV.

    They are no fun to schlepp around, though ...
     
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    +1 I tried to love the princetonian (small size and light weight) but for my playing style it just don't work. When I hit a bass string hard (which I can't help to do sometimes) they fart out and I can't stand that noise. Same with the tweed deluxe. My blues jr. works much better in that respect.
    I always wonder how the Princetons work so well for Jim Campilongo (who happens to get a wonderful warm sound out of it), but I think he takes a lot of effort with tubes, biasing and speakers to make them work.
     
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    It's the bedroom players, I find, that screw up the pub jams so popular here in the UK. They set their amps to max distortion and that's where it stays all through their set! Even throughout the rhythm parts. The volume never gets turned down and... they play solos over the top of the vocals or someone elses solo! Can't remember when I last heard clean (or cleanish) guitar being played... except when I get up!! But I have an awful problem hearing what's being played because it's all SO LOUD. I've now stopped going to them almost completely!

    Sometimes I listen to the original tunes played at the jams and they contain about 10% of what I heard. At the jam, you hear tons more aggression and no light or shade either.

    Anyhow... I still have NO answers to deal with the rediculously LOUD drums we have to contend with. But they CAN be played more quietly and with the drummer keeping good accents and time... I know lots of seasoned drummers in their 60s who can do it no problem at all!! Maybe we just need to harrass younger drummers into NOT hitting them so hard!?
     
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    Agree totaly!!
     
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    Thats it: don't hit the young drummers so hard.
    They will learn quicker how to play drums.
     
  20. Stewart Ward

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    Have you really tried every SS amp ever made? Even the ones I've designed which were not widely available in USA?

    Now to be fair, most SS amps are quite dire, especially the early ones. And there are probably even more dire tube amps too. Fender seem quite clueless with their SS amps, but they are chasing the low end young ROCK market... so probably most of us here would not like them.

    SS designs have moved on since the old days and there are some specialist makers now, who get really good sounds out of solid state. Mostly better than many of the 'popular' tube amps mentioned in this thread.

    Whatever you like in tone is your business, but what gets anyone's backs up is the your 'absolute' attitude to SS amps. So we all here are going to convert your comments into "I've not heard one I like... yet."

    I find it quite irritating that someone can, in one sentence, rubbish all my work designing SS amps since 1981, Even though they have been hugely popular and used by the likes of Eric Clapton, Jan Ackkerman, Dave Gilmour, Roy Buchanan, Dave Stewart, Mike Rutherford and many many more! Please let us hear all your records so we can judge your guitar tone against theirs.

    Hope this is not too offensive to you, Bud!
     
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