Amp substitutions

Discussion in 'Glowing Bottle Tube Amp Forum' started by GuitarsBuicks, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. GuitarsBuicks

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    So I have a question. Combo amps are their own thing, we all acknowledge that. So my question is this. Vox has an iconic tone, Marshall has an iconic tone, Fender has an iconic tone...correct? Are there any amp brands that provide accurate and usable tones for both of them? I'm curious because there are some real "oddballs" and non-giants (Giants meaning Fender, Marshall, and Vox) out there that are similar in tone. Specifically looking for large-ish combo amps. Basically anything that has more than 1 speaker and has more wattage than a bedroom/practice amp.

    Yes, I know its a subjective question, but I think its a worthwhile question to explore. If you have any personal experience with any of these amps either the brand in general or a specific model please share your experience. I'm also really interested to hear about the really really odd balls if you have them.

    Thanks!

    Guitars Buicks

    Some of the "oddballs" that I can think of at the moment:

    B-52
    Kustom
    Peavey (Vintage)
    Peavey (Current)
    Blackstar
    Electro-Harmonix
    Berhinger
    Sonus
    Supro
    Silvertone
    Kalamazoo
    Thorncraft
    Alamo
    Magnatone
    Carvin
    Orange
    TOBY
    Garnet
    Blockhead
    Dr. Z
    Stage

    I'm sure there are others.
     
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    I have a Kustom 72 Coupe 212 that I wouldn't trade for anything. OK maybe a Matchless DC-30 but I really don't see that happening. They also made it in a 36w 112 but it doesn't have the tremolo which is a pretty cool feature on the 72. James Brown gave a rundown on how it worked with the reverb on an episode of Tone Talk with Dave Friedman. Thing can do Fender cleans to Marshall dirties without breaking a sweat.
     
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    Spend a while digging through the youtube channel of Johann Segeborn. He's done a pile of amps and speakers.

    Often he says the speaker is the most important for the tone.

    Get a Joyo American Sound pedal (AC, British, and California maybe too).

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    You will find people who own and are happy with all those amps you mentioned. And probably 20 other brands too (Ampeg, Egnator, Roland, etc etc.) Just like there are 100 car models on the road. Something for everyone.
     
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    I've had a Jones for an Ampeg Gemini for quite a while.
     
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    If by Electro-Harmonix you also mean Sovtek, then I have a Sovtek Mig 50. I also used to own a Mig 100, that I used a few times for bass, but it weighed about the same as the QE II, and I unloaded it. I haven't played the Mig 50 in years, since I've only used 15-22 watt combos for ages.....but the Mig 50 sounds terrific. Like the original ads said, "like a hot-rodded Fender Bassman."
     
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    I never thought of largish amps as a 1X12 15 watts plus. The 2 amps I have in that category is my original 1965 Univox UB45 I think is about 12/15 wats and my Silvertone 1482, which I think is also a 65/66. I only use them once in a while. I tend to prefer amps at least in the 40+ watts, like my 67 Super Reverb or my modded Bassman 50 with a single 12 Jensen.
     
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    Vintage Peavey amps are the sound of country (if you set them to sound clean) and southern rock (if you crank them up). Which means they can function as bf/sf Fenders or cranked Marshall stacks, although they do have their own sound. Very cool. I have friends in a Skynard tribute band. I keep telling them to put Peavey logos on their amps.

    I remember Kustom amps from seeing local rock bands in the 70s.

    Most people don;t realize that Jimmy Page was sometimes recording with a Tele through a Supro.

    In my mind Orange takes up a similar space to Marshalls. I could be wrong.
     
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    I've got an Egnater Tweaker. I can get really good Fender bf/sf or Tweed tones out of it. Also a Marshall Plexi. Supposedly it also does Vox. In my opinion not so much.

    Mesa makes some amps that, in addition to having that very distinct Mesa Boogie sound, are pretty versatile. My Mesa TA-15 does a great clean Vox (not so good a dirty Vox), a nice Fender bf/sf sound (with my strat but not my Tele), and of course a great Mesa clean or dirty.

    And a Roland Jazz chorus that I haven't used for years but I can't bring myself to sell. Great cleans and a good pedal or processor platform.
     
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    I have a few older Peaveys and they do a very credible BF sort of thing with a C12N type speaker. Tends to cut out some of the boxiness as compared to the Eminence/Peavey stuff. To me, a largish combo starts at a Pro Reverb and we go up from there. 15 watts is a practice amp. As far as cleans and a 'Marshall' sort of thing, the VT40/VT22 will do both. (Yes, they are big and heavy but nothing sounds like big iron).
     
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    If you are asking if there's an amp that does all three of these tones, I would think you would have to go to a modeling amp. Or go with pedals and get close.
     
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    I thought I said 15plus and more than 1 8 to infinity(my keyboard doesn't have the symbol) inch speaker(s). Basically anything that is bigger than a bedroom amp and more than one 5" speaker. I will refine the question in a few minutes
     
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    I have a Heritage VTX myself. Wouldn't trade it for anything short of one in better shape. This is basically show me your cool, weird, and oddball amps that do what the big guys do and more.
     
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    Not really. I am just looking to see about amps that are off the beaten path.
     
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    Traynor.
     
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    My first amp was an Ampeg Gemini II. I'd love to have that one back.
     
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    I recapped a Silvertone 1483 (I think - 6L6 amp) head for a guy that had as good of a clean tone as any Fender when I plugged it into a Legend 1258 cabinet. Snappy, scooped, great cleans. Can't really remember about the cranked sound, but the low to mid level clean tone was excellent.

    The 1482 Silvertone is often compared to a 5e3, but for that vintage cranked tone, I actually like the 1482 better. I've recapped a couple of those that just screamed.
     
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    From the list you posted, I would suggest Orange as the best all-around tone. I kinda has a half-way between Marshall and Vox Tone. If you get with enough power to do loud clean, then you could probably cover some Fender territory, too.

    I don't know enough about modern Orange amps to make a suggestion. I do have an Orange OR15 on my amp-build wish list, though.
     
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    Many or most of the oddball amps use uncommon tubes, dont have available schematics for repairs. Have odd shaped or sized underpowered speakers that are blown or soon will be. They are frequently nothing but trouble and disappointment. Stick with the known things like fender ect..
     
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    My oddball isn't a combo; it's a head from the 80s. Seymour Duncan Convertible 2000. Modular preamp pieces, they look like tiny old school video games with tubes hanging out. Mix and match and dial in some very cool sounds.

    They made a combo version, but I've heard it wasn't very roadworthy.
     
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