Americans Invented Rock and Roll, But The British Perfected It. Fight me!

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  1. Lawdawg

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    The counter argument would be that British musicians were experts at taking American music and watering it down to a version more palatable to a mass audience. I don't necessarily agree with this, but you could just as easily make this case as make the case that they
    somehow "perfected" rock and roll.

    At the end of the day, I think some of the most interesting music comes at the frayed edges between different genres, and that's really the sweet spot that many of these British groups were able to inhabit.
     
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    You've got me on the amp thing. I don't know my technical history all that well. But as far as iconography goes, Marshall is rock and roll.

    They didn’t build stacks of fake Fender Bassmans for Ace Frehley to stand in front of.
     
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    Interesting. I never personally drew a distinction between "Rock" and "Rock and Roll". Both terms seemed interchangeable to me.

    Is "Rock 'n Roll" different from "Rock and Roll"?
     
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    wallofsound.jpg
     
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    Well, R&R is a very broad category.
    To me, much of the Beatles isn't strictly rock, it's pop maybe? or something.. That's not a dig, they are probably my favorite or at least most impressive band of all time. Then again, pop is rock is blues is.... :>)
    The Stones are rock to me.
    Pink Floyd.. hmm.. not sure what they are, but not straight up rock n roll. Kinda more like the Beatles.

    But yes, the Brit Invasion was a huge part of R&R history and one of my favorite parts for sure. Probably my most favorite. Rock got better for it, more complex.
     
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    Van Halen?!? AC/DC? Tom Mofo Petty? Rage? Anthrax? Metallica. Pantera? Just flavors and evolution of blues created here. Yes I know AC/DC isn't American but still they’re not British.
     
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    No, the "n" and the "and" are interchangeable, but, there's been no rock n roll on the charts since maybe 1962, with the rare exception of bands like the Stray Cats
     
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    And Eddie Cochran...

     
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    No argument from me, but there's a lot of dislike for UK artists on this forum, so you'll probably find a few disagreeing with you.

    A few more great bands (imho) missing from the list:

    Cream
    Free
    Queen
    Deep Purple
    Jethro Tull
    Fleetwood Mac (Peter Green era)

    I'd also argue that we invented and perfected Prog, but that's for another hate thread! :lol:

    Yes
    ELP
    Genesis
     
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    Is it accurate to say that UK discover with a lot of enthusiasm American pop Music of the 50s... Rock N Roll, Rhythm, Blues and country, etc. The British musicians reshaped it (with a lot of admiration for US artists) and throw it back to USA. The famous British Invasion ? Anyway can't imagine Pop Music without US and UK...
     
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    Ahem.



    A song which was so loved by one man, he did his own version of it.



    That was followed by one of the finest R&R songs of all time. British of course.



    I will say though that we didn't have anyone as awesome as Fats Domino, so while we may think we perfected it, Fats just says 'That's nice boys, now hold my beer...'
     
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    My original post isn't meant as a cultural dig, BTW. The contributions made by bands from the US and elsewhere are numerous and massive.

    But Sgt. Pepper's? Dark Side of the Moon? Exile on Main St? Zeppelin IV? Tommy? These are the pillars upon which modern rock music is built. I think that's pretty undeniable.
     
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    This is kind of a loser debate. Depends on what you like. You need some kind of metric: sales? "artisitc merit?" (good luck with that one) There are a lot of great american bands and a lot of great english bands and the aussies have some bands and so do the irish. The anglophone produces a lot of bands.

    I would fault the brits for introducing bands that don't swing, like progressive rock bands.

    https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/greatest-american-rock-bands

    Lot of great bands on there.
     
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    IMHO rock and roll has roots in swing, "rock" does not. Early Chuck Berry is rock and roll. Metallica is rock. Doesn't swing
     
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    Also boogie woogie
     
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    I'm glad we italians are not involved in this fight. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    No matter who wins, I certainly think the Grateful Dead has em all now, had em all them and will have em in the distant future. Even if you don't agree with that no one can argue that the Dead were not the reason for so much of what we see and hear today in Rock, Rock and Roll, Hip Hop, Country etc.. They were the first ones to use large sound systems for the vocals and instruments. The first ones! Before they did that it was simply small PA setups like they'd use at a political campaign rally. The were the first ones to use stage monitors for the band, the first ones to put thought and r&d into microphones, the first ones to set the crowd a little back from the stage, possible the first ones to use lights as a light show vs simply a spot light, I believe the first ones to do a set break, the first ones to put so much thought and effort into creating something such as the wall of sound as pictured above. They paved the way for so much of what we have today at concerts. All they wanted was to produce the most perfect sonic experience they could for the crowd. And as I said in another post, the most American(a) band that's ever existed. So many of their songs describe the America of yesterday, they easily mention more American States, Cities and towns than any other band. And they're the quintessential mixing of different musical backgrounds to form a new and unique sound, which is like America a huge melting pot.

    We can argue UK vs USA for rock but we certainly know Jamaica has the market cornered in reggae and in fact the most popular worldwide musician happened to be from Jamaica and happened to play reggae. So while we can argue Brit vs American it just so happens that this little island in the Caribbean produced a musician who's more popular than all those bands on both sides of the pond combined. So maybe Jamaica wins lol?
     
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    Rock n roll was born perfect.
     
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    you forgot Hawkwind!
     
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