Age old Stairway question, is it Ab or G#?

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  1. BigDaddyLH

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    What if the second chord has been the slight variant: xx6757 (E7) instead of xx6557? The voice leading in the outer voices is the same. Would you still call the bass Ab?
     
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    Nothing. I was answering someone else's question regarding the fact that even though an Am9 doesn't always include a b7 we can name it Am9. The Stairway chord in question is an Am△9 (A minor/major 9). A straight m9 has a b7.
     
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    Ascending or descending has nothing to do with it.
    Strictly key determined. In the key of A minor we have a G# (or a G sometimes) but never an Ab.
     
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    What's there to discuss ? Just play it. I learned the song the year it came out, and never gave that chord any thought...never fretted (pardon the pun) over it . ToMAYto vs. toMAHto. Es macht nichts.
     
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  5. BigDaddyLH

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    So 60 posts later, there was nothing to discuss?
     
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    This is the 'tips, tabs, technique and theory' section. It's kinda what we do here. Yes we all know how to play it. Knowing how and why $h1t works can help with figuring out and understanding other stuff that may not be so obvious or easy at first.
     
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    Has anything been resolved ? Is there a conclusion ? Do woodchucks really chuck wood ?
     
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  8. klasaine

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    Yes, it's a G#.
    Anyone can call it or name it whatever they want - it doesn't change the sound. But if you want to discuss it academically - it's a G#.
     
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    "...Age old ... Stairway ... question "

     
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    Agree.
    Ascending/descending isn't a factor for naming the note.
     
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    What I'm still unsure of right now, is wether this question will read me to sleep or keep me awake the whole night... Either way I'm ok with it I guess.
     
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    Talk about that descending bass line!
     
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    I will agree to disagree! XD

    Though the other idea I have is CaugM7. There are no inversions of augmented chords so no worries that G# is in the bass and not C. Major 7 is the B natural: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_major_seventh_chord
     
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    Ok I decided to put my thinking cap on and do a functional harmonic analysis. Here's what I got:

    i V64(add m6) III64 IV6 VIM7 VII i. So if we assume key of A minor:

    a E64(addm6) C64 D6 FM7 G a

    I am failing at the super/subscript at the moment: 64 is a second inversion chord, 6 is first inversion M7 major seventh chord. Capital is Major lower case minor.
     
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    So no one can determine exactly what Jimmy Page was doing in Stairway to Heaven?!?!???
     
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    That wasn't the question. (The question was what to call the second chord, e.g. based on western music theory.)

    Actually it's acknowleded that the sequence is one that's been around a long time.

    For example, the expert witness at the court case, from
    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/...en-chords-centuries-old-court-hears-1.2690598

    “That progression, that movement, has been around for 300 years, dating back to the 17th century,” he said. “In the 20th century, before Taurus, a large number of popular musicians, artists and composers also used it.”
     
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    What's the difference between a G# and a Ab for a guitar player ? I thought the difference only mattered for trombone players...
    On a guitar, 6th string fourth fret is a G#, no wait, it's an Ab, no it Is a G# or is it ? No it's an Ab ...
     
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    Should I study music theory or guitar music theory?
     
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    To me, Cmaj7/G# describes the motion better but I absolutely hear an augmented V chord.

    In theory, we should be practicing. In practice, we just post bs on the internet.
     
  20. ASATKat

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    Sure, of course I've played it, I've made thousands teaching this song over 35yrs teaching.

    But that wasn't the point of the thread, the nerds here LOVE to geek out on these almost circular discussions. SHA has been another one that actually burned itself out,,,
    I think =O
     
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