A funny twist of irony for the EV haters - city bus & fire truck content.

[imwjl]

I'm sure there were lots of people that rejected the gasoline powered car. They are too expensive, too unreliable, no place to get them fixed, hard to get gasoline for, etc, etc, etc. I'll stick with my horse drawn carriage!

Yes. When I was a kid I recall my grandparents and other family elders and friends in a heated argument about the late 1960s dangers of cruise control and delay windshield wipers showing up in cars. Family friend Arthur RIP who drove Cadillacs contradicted himself with how reliable his last horse was. My own grandfather pointed out his horse Bessy let him sleep on the way home but he had hours of work to care for Betsy he didn't have with his car plus he pointed out the comforts of not sitting or sleeping on the bench of his wagon.

 

[maxvintage]

Ummm, yeah. Zero emissions? Where do people think the electricity comes from? Unicorns? Electrical distribution grids are already stretched thin and vulnerable, adding millions of EV charging stations is not sustainable. Sorry, just sayin'.

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Annnd this post, again.

Thanks bro, I was under the impression electricity came from tiny elves, just like gasoline.


So I can put solar panels on my roof, and charge a car that way. The grid can supplement coal gas and nuke with wind and solar and geothermal. I can't extract and refine petroleum in my backyard.



The grid is fine everywhere but Texas, I seem to be noticing

 

[maxvintage]

And there it is in a nutshell. Those who control the flow of information decide whose and what opinions are acceptable.

Who are they? Can you point them out?

 

[imwjl]

There are many people making predictions, that never come true. I can make a prediction offering no support whatsoever and am under no obligation whatsoever to be right!

My prediction:

When EVs are at their peak acceptance level, when the last of the gas, and oil wells are shut in, and the only source of power is electrical, a calamitous discovery will be made about the danger of electrical power dependency. Attorneys all across the land will join hands and be rejoicing singing Halleluiah.

Read or "audio book" the Vaclav Smil book I've recommended.

8 billion people can't be supported without all we do with electricity and oil or coal, nor could we go from 8 to 1 billion fast without other serious matters. Our dependencies are on cement, ammonia, steel, and what started with the agriculture revolution thousands of years ago.

Look at the data I posted from the city bus operation. It's much like the distribution and transportation aspects in my food industry. Just cost savings are promising. $ billions are being spent to have the edge in business as much as a better footprint on the planet.

Annnd this post, again.

Thanks bro, I was under the impression electricity came from tiny elves, just like gasoline.


So I can put solar panels on my roof, and charge a car that way. The grid can supplement coal gas and nuke with wind and solar and geothermal. I can't extract and refine petroleum in my backyard.



The grid is fine everywhere but Texas, I seem to be noticing

The interesting TX matter is people missing simple plain sagacity in business. The diversification of energy sources in my metro area had the opposite effect in some disasters such as substation explosions, floods and storms. The TX matter often brought up illustrates poor management and not bad technology. One has to consume more than adulterated news product to fully understand that.

 

[ChicknPickn]

The Wall Street Journal continues to be a voice of reason for many business-minded individuals. This informational piece on EV's addresses some questions that curious and reasonable people have. It puts the challenges and payoffs into perspective. A lot of "ifs," but some strong statements about what could be achieved.

Are Electric Cars Really Better for the Environment?

EVs produce fewer emissions overall than their gas-powered counterparts, but there are caveats

www.wsj.com

 

[teletail]

Who are they? Can you point them out?

They are EVERYWHERE! They are even where they’re not.

 

[imwjl]

Who are they? Can you point them out?

My dad died young but a precious gift was teaching me exactly the "control the flow of information" brought up. I read competing news sources - not opinion - on same topic. I attend, read or watch public hearings, budgets, and the content of a lot of regulations and laws. I tend to read because it can take away the emotion or distraction in broadcast journalism in the post Fairness Doctrine world we've been in since around 1985.

The Wall Street Journal continues to be a voice of reason for many business-minded individuals. This informational piece on EV's addresses some questions that curious and reasonable people have. It puts the challenges and payoffs into perspective. A lot of "ifs," but some strong statements about what could be achieved.

Are Electric Cars Really Better for the Environment?

EVs produce fewer emissions overall than their gas-powered counterparts, but there are caveats

www.wsj.com

A very good article I've reposted here. Especially for it covering possible outcomes.

The WSJ and others also have really good coverage of how much manufacturing investment is going on in North America and especially USA which is REALLY important knowing how far ahead the Chinese are. The Chinese are also delivering new military technology about 5x faster than we are so that makes all this tech investment and research extremely important.

 

[Toto'sDad]

Read or "audio book" the Vaclav Smil book I've recommended.

8 billion people can't be supported without all we do with electricity and oil or coal, nor could we go from 8 to 1 billion fast without other serious matters. Our dependencies are on cement, ammonia, steel, and what started with the agriculture revolution thousands of years ago.

Look at the data I posted from the city bus operation. It's much like the distribution and transportation aspects in my food industry. Just cost savings are promising. $ billions are being spent to have the edge in business as much as a better footprint on the planet.

The interesting TX matter is people missing simple plain sagacity in business. The diversification of energy sources in my metro area had the opposite effect in some disasters such as substation explosions, floods and storms. The TX matter often brought up illustrates poor management and not bad technology. One has to consume more than adulterated news product to fully understand that.

I've already capitulated completely, and said, YOU WIN on EVs, but I don't have to like it!!!!

PS:

The most popular Teslas seem to be the ugliest! My brother-in-law said it's easy to tell those new Teslas coming at you, they don't have a grill and look like a cheap plastic toy car!

 

[imwjl]

I don't want to stress the moderators or anyone here, and I should go get some exercise before doing some work.

Quite simply I saw an illustration of the new transportation stuff here working really well. All this stuff is likely $ trillions of investment. It is wonderful that so much of the high tech, high quality labor jobs and new investment is at home vs abroad. It's fair to say it hasn't been this way for decades or generations.

It would be nice if those not aware or the skeptics knew if only for understanding, kindness and their being able to benefit from it. Embracing change and becoming more open minded were an important revolution in my life. I also have perpetual hope it can occur for others.



P.S. @Toto'sDad beyond loving ya, I can't help you because my wife can't stand a Model 3 or Y interior. On top of all that my tastes for good looking vehicles are often rooted in or stuck in the 1930s, 1960s, and a Peterbilt 3x9.

 

[bradpdx]

My Tesla has plenty of room in the trunk for amps and guitars.

 

[msalama]

OP uses the word "Haters" in the title

Yep, this, because it's not only insulting, but pretty stupid from their part too. To wit:

1) Most non-EV drivers are anything but haters to begin with
2) It just shows OP's personal and ideological biases and little more
3) It guarantees the thread cannot eventually go anywhere but down the pisher

 

[Buckocaster51]

3) It guarantees the thread cannot eventually go anywhere but down the pisher


It has

Let’s put a fork in it… or a stake if you prefer

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