tubedude
Tele-Afflicted
They weren't even the stated "film and foil" caps, they were just Metalized film caps, one step up from electrolytics.
Capacitor Resolution Form
920dcustom.com
They have this up now. Still not good enough though.
920D caught selling fake PIO caps
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Intubator
Tele-Afflicted
Says something about Mojo caps too... They are great sounding for the money, so great the company thought they could sell them for 20X the price and did...
This is more of a P T Barnum moment than anything actually related to capacitance.
This is the first instance of which I'm aware of fake snake oil being peddled. The sheer lack of scruples deserves a slap.
Blackmore Fan
Friend of Leo's
In the year 2022, I'm not sure I understand why anyone is paying a premium for even *legitimate* PIO caps. Its dated technology.
beyer160
Poster Extraordinaire
Tubes and germanium transistors are dated technology too, but you can actually hear the difference they make.
Blackmore Fan
Friend of Leo's
Sure, but can we actually *hear* any difference imparted by PIO caps?
beyer160
Poster Extraordinaire
No, no matter what the snake oil tonemeisters tell you.
My point was, just the fact that PIO caps are old technology isn't the reason they're not magic fairy dust.
I like to think about it from the perspective of their board room. I have little doubt that supply-chain issues were a problem just like in all other businesses, so they were likely trying to manage the problem. Then somebody points out that a cap is a cap, nobody is going to know the difference and could have suggested they disguise it and nobody would know the difference....and they didn't until somebody become curious and cut one open.
It reminds me of Taco Bell back in the late '80's down South when there was a drought causing a shortage on lettuce. Taco Bell started mixing sweet cabbage with lettuce 50/50 in all their products believing that nobody would ever know the difference...and nobody did for 2 months until I ate there. It seemed obvious to me and their corporate office confirmed that it was sweet cabbage instead of lettuce, but never made any changes to disclose it to the public. Instead, they offered me store vouchers.
In both cases, I honestly believe that they never intended to be thieves. Instead, they were trying to manage a supply issue and didn't think people would know the difference, so they really wouldn't be cheated as they did end up with the desired results...even though with cheaper products disguised as something else. Most people thought their Taco used lettuce and most people liked the sound of their control wiring, so both would be happy. Now, if they continued to do the swap after the supply issues ended, then they are crooks.
I don't like their decisions and they deserve some backlash, but I would still purchase a wiring kit form them if needed. Now, as for Taco Bell, there is no going back there. I do not tolerate hidden substitutions to food.
old wrench
Friend of Leo's
Yeah, it's disgusting, especially since 920D attempted to portray themselves as "victims of supply chain issues" when the fraud was first uncovered.
It's just blatant fraud and lies
Unfortunately, as long as there are folks who want to buy their "tone", there will always be some unscrupulous marketers who will be more than willing to supply it and also charge a premium price while they're at it
There are always plenty of fairly-priced options available, whether it's capacitors or pickups or some other device promising tonal BlisS (BS)
Everyone should look closer and apply some critical thinking before attempting to buy their "tone"
These are just passive electrical parts and there are only certain functions they can perform, beyond that - it's just more dollars and a big load of BS
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It's just blatant fraud and lies
Unfortunately, as long as there are folks who want to buy their "tone", there will always be some unscrupulous marketers who will be more than willing to supply it and also charge a premium price while they're at it
There are always plenty of fairly-priced options available, whether it's capacitors or pickups or some other device promising tonal BlisS (BS)
Everyone should look closer and apply some critical thinking before attempting to buy their "tone"
These are just passive electrical parts and there are only certain functions they can perform, beyond that - it's just more dollars and a big load of BS
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I was on some website the other, and I thought I wonder if they offer luxe caps for $30 so they can actually sell orange drops for $6. It seems like the little ceramic caps you use in guitars are usually like .25 cents or something aren't they? I have a enough in the bottom of my toolbox that I haven't had to buy one for some time.
beyer160
Poster Extraordinaire
I think you hit the nail on the head.
They never intended to be thieves except for committing fraud?
Wound_Up
Tele-Afflicted
TGP is a sister site. It's literally linked at the bottom of every page at TDPRI. It's OK.
Wound_Up
Tele-Afflicted
Nah. You're way, wrong here.
They became crooks the moment they put those NON-PIO caps on the website for sale as PIO.
They CHOSE not to disclose that they, were out of PIO caps and instead CHOSE to defraud everyone with counterfeit PIO caps.
That makes them criminal in this matter. Supply chain issues don't excuse anything.
How do you not get this?
All, they had to do was mark them OUT OF STOCK but they CHOSE to instead sell counterfeit PIO caps.
That's fraud. It's criminal. And NOTHING excuses it. There is no rationalization for choosing to lie to people and rip them off with fake PIO caps. NONE.
Blackmore Fan
Friend of Leo's
Exactly.
I don’t know what they charge for the little ceramic disc caps these days. Like you, I have a bunch of them I bought at radio shack years ago. I think they were around 10 cents each. I miss radio shack.
I’m sure those disc caps can be found online cheap though.
backporchmusic
Poster Extraordinaire
Wanted to update on my request for store credit for two harnesses I bought. Already have credit on my account, in a little over 24 hours on a weekend. That is pretty quick action.
I bought harnesses to make my job of replacing 335/Casino style wiring easier, as they use that type of wire that holds it shape once bent, so the harness is easier to work with as it doesn't flop around in the body cavity.
I also bought one because I couldn't find any CTS 500k pots in stock during the pandemic, and this seemed like a solution.
So the PIO thing wasn't even a motivating factor for me, but again, don't advertise something that is not true about your product. Still, I am happy with the harnesses I got, the parts and soldering are all of good quality.
I bought harnesses to make my job of replacing 335/Casino style wiring easier, as they use that type of wire that holds it shape once bent, so the harness is easier to work with as it doesn't flop around in the body cavity.
I also bought one because I couldn't find any CTS 500k pots in stock during the pandemic, and this seemed like a solution.
So the PIO thing wasn't even a motivating factor for me, but again, don't advertise something that is not true about your product. Still, I am happy with the harnesses I got, the parts and soldering are all of good quality.
@backporchmusic
Thanks for the update! Glad they are making things right with you.
As of two minutes ago, there's still nothing anywhere on their Website about this issue. This means the only customers they're interested in satisfying are those that got the resolution link from the TGP site.
From a business perspective, that's how a shyster behaves.
Thanks for the update! Glad they are making things right with you.
As of two minutes ago, there's still nothing anywhere on their Website about this issue. This means the only customers they're interested in satisfying are those that got the resolution link from the TGP site.
From a business perspective, that's how a shyster behaves.
