920D caught selling fake PIO caps

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This is the first instance of which I'm aware of fake snake oil being peddled. The sheer lack of scruples deserves a slap.
 

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It's just so funny, and for so many reasons.

A hundred years ago paper capacitors were used in high voltage circuits. The paper dielectric was impregnated with oil, or more commonly wax to prevent flashover. They were terrible things, and about as durable as a mayfly's lunch.

For what it's worth, the PIO thing is strictly a guitar world construct. The only group that is possibly as gullible are the audiophiles. Despite, perhaps, trillions of words written on the subject, there is still a faction who believe that these awful things have magical properties. This feeds an industry that is determined to satisfy these guys.

And to think these crooks are... crooks. How dare they! Don't they know that we take our mythology seriously? My fake stuff is fake, I'm incensed! Somebody has to pay for my mistakes, and it's not going to be me, no sir!

Grow up, folks. Making an honest buck is hard enough. Spending hard earned money on this kind of nonsense is exactly the reason these guys are in business. They can repackage a ten cent capacitor and sell it for thirty bucks simply because there's a market for this fraudulent stuff, and they do it without any shame. It's a market driven solely by people who will defend their purchase beyond any reason.

Does this make any sense to anyone?
I like to think about it from the perspective of their board room. I have little doubt that supply-chain issues were a problem just like in all other businesses, so they were likely trying to manage the problem. Then somebody points out that a cap is a cap, nobody is going to know the difference and could have suggested they disguise it and nobody would know the difference....and they didn't until somebody become curious and cut one open.

It reminds me of Taco Bell back in the late '80's down South when there was a drought causing a shortage on lettuce. Taco Bell started mixing sweet cabbage with lettuce 50/50 in all their products believing that nobody would ever know the difference...and nobody did for 2 months until I ate there. It seemed obvious to me and their corporate office confirmed that it was sweet cabbage instead of lettuce, but never made any changes to disclose it to the public. Instead, they offered me store vouchers.

In both cases, I honestly believe that they never intended to be thieves. Instead, they were trying to manage a supply issue and didn't think people would know the difference, so they really wouldn't be cheated as they did end up with the desired results...even though with cheaper products disguised as something else. Most people thought their Taco used lettuce and most people liked the sound of their control wiring, so both would be happy. Now, if they continued to do the swap after the supply issues ended, then they are crooks.

I don't like their decisions and they deserve some backlash, but I would still purchase a wiring kit form them if needed. Now, as for Taco Bell, there is no going back there. I do not tolerate hidden substitutions to food.
 

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Yeah, it's disgusting, especially since 920D attempted to portray themselves as "victims of supply chain issues" when the fraud was first uncovered.

It's just blatant fraud and lies

Unfortunately, as long as there are folks who want to buy their "tone", there will always be some unscrupulous marketers who will be more than willing to supply it and also charge a premium price while they're at it

There are always plenty of fairly-priced options available, whether it's capacitors or pickups or some other device promising tonal BlisS (BS)

Everyone should look closer and apply some critical thinking before attempting to buy their "tone"

These are just passive electrical parts and there are only certain functions they can perform, beyond that - it's just more dollars and a big load of BS

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Fraud.
If you've ever bought anything from 920D I'd be taking a closer look. This deception is no accident and took a little work, had to print shrink wrap and all that. I doubt this is a one time thing.
My personal opinion is a cap is a cap is a cap. The ones I use cost cents, not dollars. That said, a customer should get what they paid for. Over priced or not.
I was on some website the other, and I thought I wonder if they offer luxe caps for $30 so they can actually sell orange drops for $6. It seems like the little ceramic caps you use in guitars are usually like .25 cents or something aren't they? I have a enough in the bottom of my toolbox that I haven't had to buy one for some time.
 

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I like to think about it from the perspective of their board room. I have little doubt that supply-chain issues were a problem just like in all other businesses, so they were likely trying to manage the problem. Then somebody points out that a cap is a cap, nobody is going to know the difference and could have suggested they disguise it and nobody would know the difference....and they didn't until somebody become curious and cut one open.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
I honestly believe that they never intended to be thieves. Instead, they were trying to manage a supply issue and didn't think people would know the difference, so they really wouldn't be cheated as they did end up with the desired results...even though with cheaper products disguised as something else.
They never intended to be thieves except for committing fraud?
 

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Hope posting from TGP isn't against the rules here. I'm not on TDPRI much but thought it was worth spreading the word on this issue:

TGP is a sister site. It's literally linked at the bottom of every page at TDPRI. It's OK.

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I like to think about it from the perspective of their board room. I have little doubt that supply-chain issues were a problem just like in all other businesses, so they were likely trying to manage the problem. Then somebody points out that a cap is a cap, nobody is going to know the difference and could have suggested they disguise it and nobody would know the difference....and they didn't until somebody become curious and cut one open.

It reminds me of Taco Bell back in the late '80's down South when there was a drought causing a shortage on lettuce. Taco Bell started mixing sweet cabbage with lettuce 50/50 in all their products believing that nobody would ever know the difference...and nobody did for 2 months until I ate there. It seemed obvious to me and their corporate office confirmed that it was sweet cabbage instead of lettuce, but never made any changes to disclose it to the public. Instead, they offered me store vouchers.

In both cases, I honestly believe that they never intended to be thieves. Instead, they were trying to manage a supply issue and didn't think people would know the difference, so they really wouldn't be cheated as they did end up with the desired results...even though with cheaper products disguised as something else. Most people thought their Taco used lettuce and most people liked the sound of their control wiring, so both would be happy. Now, if they continued to do the swap after the supply issues ended, then they are crooks.

I don't like their decisions and they deserve some backlash, but I would still purchase a wiring kit form them if needed. Now, as for Taco Bell, there is no going back there. I do not tolerate hidden substitutions to food.


Nah. You're way, wrong here.


They became crooks the moment they put those NON-PIO caps on the website for sale as PIO.

They CHOSE not to disclose that they, were out of PIO caps and instead CHOSE to defraud everyone with counterfeit PIO caps.


That makes them criminal in this matter. Supply chain issues don't excuse anything.

How do you not get this?

All, they had to do was mark them OUT OF STOCK but they CHOSE to instead sell counterfeit PIO caps.

That's fraud. It's criminal. And NOTHING excuses it. There is no rationalization for choosing to lie to people and rip them off with fake PIO caps. NONE.
 

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I was on some website the other, and I thought I wonder if they offer luxe caps for $30 so they can actually sell orange drops for $6. It seems like the little ceramic caps you use in guitars are usually like .25 cents or something aren't they? I have a enough in the bottom of my toolbox that I haven't had to buy one for some time.
I don’t know what they charge for the little ceramic disc caps these days. Like you, I have a bunch of them I bought at radio shack years ago. I think they were around 10 cents each. I miss radio shack.
I’m sure those disc caps can be found online cheap though.
 

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Wanted to update on my request for store credit for two harnesses I bought. Already have credit on my account, in a little over 24 hours on a weekend. That is pretty quick action.

I bought harnesses to make my job of replacing 335/Casino style wiring easier, as they use that type of wire that holds it shape once bent, so the harness is easier to work with as it doesn't flop around in the body cavity.

I also bought one because I couldn't find any CTS 500k pots in stock during the pandemic, and this seemed like a solution.

So the PIO thing wasn't even a motivating factor for me, but again, don't advertise something that is not true about your product. Still, I am happy with the harnesses I got, the parts and soldering are all of good quality.
 

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Thanks for the update! Glad they are making things right with you.

As of two minutes ago, there's still nothing anywhere on their Website about this issue. This means the only customers they're interested in satisfying are those that got the resolution link from the TGP site.

From a business perspective, that's how a shyster behaves.
 




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