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$90 amps that prove my life is a lie

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by dmfp123, Jan 18, 2021.

  1. ElJay370

    ElJay370 Tele-Afflicted

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    The debate that never ends....

    If you’re recording or never going to play anywhere other than by yourself in your bedroom/garage/man cave, then no....you don’t need a big, fancy, super expensive tube amp. You probably don’t even need an amp at all. Digital interfaces exist that are more than adequate...many of them even sound pretty damn good.

    If you’re ever going to get out in front of people with bass, drums, keys, and vocals and really move some air, you need the raw power and presence of a tube amp. One of these little 15 watt buzz boxes could never cut it in that situation, I don’t care how well it’s mic’d.

    Who really does this anyway? Sticks a 200 dollar microphone in front of an 80 dollar amp?:lol:
     
  2. cyclopean

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    wait wait you were also at that noise show?
     
  3. cyclopean

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    the cure and black flag sounded pretty great with solid state amps.
     
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    Everything processed thru the equipment on the sending end, then processed thru the LAN or wireless lines, then processed thru your gear on the receiving end, is going to sound like something different. Notice that anything played on your gear at home, sounds nothing like the live version. You can record yourself in any form, talking, clapping, picking - not the same. But most everything will sound the same coming thru that gear. Remember recognizing: a clock radio, a phone caller voice, the TV, a cell phone...they all sound similar, because the signal is similar, and augmented.
     
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  5. J-Flanders

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    The Roland Cube is a digital modeling amp (COSM) while all the amps in the demo are 100% analog.

    It should be compared to other modeling amps like the Fender Mustang, Line 6 Viper etc.
     
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    Well, my modified Valve Juniors - either the head version or the combo, with the oversized Hammond OTs I installed - sound immense through my Cerwin-Vega 2x12 folded-horn cabinet. It weighs a lot, and lives in a huge road case with wheels that’s about 3 feet high, 4 feet long and 2 1/2 feet deep, but it kinda proves the point that the first watt does most of the heavy lifting.

    They’re single-ended amps and sound that way. 5 watts. Not clean at high volume, but I have other amps for that.

    I can tell you that they can also accept a speaker-level direct box to send the amp signal to FOH if needed. Preamp tube distortion plus power tube distortion - or, with the head version, a balance between the two.

    Dead stock, both Valve Juniors sucked, IMO. But the education I received from the 18watt.com forum members was worth much, much more than the money I spent on both amps, the modifications’ parts, plus my time.
     
  7. dmfp123

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    I mean I have a late 60's twin and a few other things that are great live. I think it's safe to assume anyone involved in this thread already has a decent live setup, lol

    Also I've done much hunting this past month and can't find a digital modeler with a clean sound I'm happy with. These sounded better than youtube demos of the vox, fender, blackstar, marshall, etc modelers--even the ones released by the respective companies where you KNOW there's some studio magic involved.

    also also... come on, it's like an $80 mic in front of an $80 amp, lol
     
  8. telemnemonics

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    SS amps can have great clean sounds, had a few and different brands going way back.
    I didn’t like any of these sounds.
    How does a bad clean sound sound?
     
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    like a Roland JC
     
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  10. Chiogtr4x

    Chiogtr4x Doctor of Teleocity

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    The ' JC Clean' model on my little baby Micro Cube sounds more like a (clean) Fender than their 'black panel' ( BF Fender) model- which sounds too bassy- not a balanced EQ.
    Go figure!
    - you just follow your ears, 'till you dial in what you want

    But ( more than $90, yes), I really love the Micro Cube for my apartment.
    I've got 3-4 amp sounds + effects and to get these at whisper quiet ( or louder too) volume is fantastic.
    Not a toy.
     
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    There's a place you're never going to get to on one of these four amps -- when the clean sound starts to break up and is so touch-responsive. But you CAN find it on slightly better amps. I've found Peavey's trans tube amps have a nice Fender-y breakup; the Mustang amps do it pretty well; I have a Yamaha THR10C that nails it. I would probably be more interested in a shootout at the equivalent of the 20-40 watt tube amp corral, where you could actually play small gigs with a reasonable drummer, or slightly beefier jams with anyone. Find me a Dolla amp that stands toe-to-toe with a Princeton or a Deluxe.
     
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    You need to feel the amp's response to your own playing. You cannot trust on YouTube.
     
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    I had the frontman 15g.
    It was ok. The clean was nice and it sounded great with reverb/delayed etc...

    It sounded very week and thin with classic fuzz.

    I have a £200 Laney cub 10 valve amp that is a real giant killer though.

    It's amazing.
     
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    There's just something about the way a tube amp reacts when you've got it set right at break up. You can really feel the push when you start getting after it on your playing, as far as dynamics are concerned. You can go from subtle to sweet overdrive in a way that pedals just don't do for me.
     
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    i needed a small amp to play a huge room with mile high ceilings (yes, built in China). Sounds fantastic! All tube. 100_5947.JPG If needed we mic it through the PA.
     
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    What we call "good tone" depends on price and brand legacy.
    If i pay $900 for an amp im more likely to believe that it sounds better than a $90 amp even if they both sound the same.
    Tone-Nazis LOVE to deny this fact, but its true.
     
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    I have a little Vox Pathfinder 15R that I bought new for about $100 some 15-20 years ago. Made in Korea at that time. For a 15 solid state amp it sounds very warm and almost "tube like" in tone. Perfect for playing on your own at home for a quick fix of guitar. i am thinking it might be a good jazz amp as well.
    But my 1976 Princeton Reverb and my Goodsell Super 17 are the bee's knees!
     
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    I first had a Cyber-Deluxe then got a G-DEC and both can be made to sound great.
     
  19. Scottsgarage

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    Glad to see mention of Bugera, I got my son a Bugera V22 many years ago, as the model suggests a 22W tube amp. He has used it a lot and gigged with it all through high school, he is now 24 and was not all that careful with it and it still operates fine. I like it , I have a blackface Pro Reverb but use the Bugera a lot.
     
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    I have Orange 12 and I love it. Tried the Marshall MG10 and Vox Pathfinder recently, and the Marshall sounds best of three. Didn't like the Vox at all. Haven't try the Fender one. I think that these amps would benefit from a bigger and better speaker. But you can't argue against the price.
     
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