If you go metric do you have to hand back your Texas rodeo belt buckle?
800 grams challenge
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If you go metric do you have to hand back your Texas rodeo belt buckle?
It's not obvious. Cooking breaks down or removes some nutrients but it also makes some foods more digestible. I'd say whatever gets you to eat more veggies.
One thing to avoid is cooking the hell out of something. I usually steam broccoli lightly so that it is still crunchy, but I know my mum would set it to boil it for 20 minutes or more!
I think a lot of adults are really two-year-olds when it comes to vegetables, and their memories are of poorly prepared veggies.
I would think a metric scale would be sold all throughout the world, but not sure about the US
This has got me thinking -- just how to you measure stuff in the US? If I buy 2kg of apples and take them up a mountain, it's still 2kg of apples. If I started at sea level with 5lbs of apples I would have less when I go up that mountain -- can I get a refund?
There is no grams application for every person - if you are comfortable eating 300 grams a day you should stick to it - just don't eat lots of carbs and sugars on top of that 300 grams - in fact if you zero sugar out you'd find that your mobility will increase 1000% - and the soreness factor disappears - it's not that sugar is evil - it's that as we get older our bodies can't tolerate it as much -
I think anyone who advocates a single diet idea for everyone is full of hooey.
Funny but true.I would think a metric scale would be sold all throughout the world, but not sure about the US
This has got me thinking -- just how to you measure stuff in the US? If I buy 2kg of apples and take them up a mountain, it's still 2kg of apples. If I started at sea level with 5lbs of apples I would have less when I go up that mountain -- can I get a refund?
On behalf of the Sugar Cane Farmers of America, I strongly object. Rum is absolutely a form of vegetable. And. It is very low in fiber, an important element in human nutrition. And it is great, when mixed with fresh grapefruit juice. Everyone should try it.
Quite so.
I tend to undercook most vegetables, since I am still scarred by the smell of the neighbor lady, burning peas or some other green vegetable and then she'd take the smoking mess out her door and set in down on the pavement. Nothing, nothing worse than overcooked vegetables although. Although if you know what you're doing, limas and most other beans will mellow when cooked slowly over time.
Well, I tend to think that if you are trying to get 800gs of produce into you, you will naturally end up with a combination, especially over the course of several days (you might decide to have 800 grams of watermelon one day, but it's highly unlikely that you'll feel like doing that several days in a row. In any case, this protocol doesn't specify; it's just assumed that over time you will naturally gravitate towards variety.
Of course, if you want to eat less than 800 grams of produce, go for it. If you have a good handle on your nutrition, go and be happy. If you have a professional nutritionist checking your blood panels and titrating your magnesium levels, do exactly what he or she says; you don't need this plan. I would just say that SOME people (like ME) would have a bit of trouble just "not eating lots of carbs and sugars on top of" having only 300 grams of produce.
But an extremely simple plan (2 guidelines) that is easy to monitor (fill a dinner plate with produce and have three servings of meat about the size of your fist over the course of a day), not based on excluding any foods, doesn't leave you feeling deprived and would almost certainly move the diets of 85% of US adults in the right direction, PLUS is highly unlikely to HURT ya ("OMG I ate an unnecessary grapefruit" said nobody ever), man I'd just call that an eminently useful and usable rule of thumb. The purpose of it is to formulate something people can and will DO and sustain, and the cleverest bit about it is that it never says you can't have a donut; it's just designed in such a way as to effectively push the donuts out, because...you're already full.
Tweak it however you feel like; if you're petite, cut it 25%. And nobody's gonna say that yer 10-year-old has to eat 800grams of broccoli a day. It's working for me just fine out of the box and I am able to see how it would help a lot of people I know. I might reduce the target to 600 grams at some point, but I suspect I'll just end up back at the bakery...
BTW, I think you are totally right about the inflammatory effects of sugar! This has been something I've known intellectually for a long time, but I'd still go to the bakery for a deep fried sugar encrusted bagel. I'm eating quite a lot of grapes and strawberries, which of course have their own sugar, and I'm even fitting in a cookie or two on occasion, but I was estimating yesterday than my sugar intake is probably less than a third of what it was two months ago.
[ETA:] On the other hand, I am also a lot more full of hooey these days...as was alluded to in a previous comment.
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I ignore the weight of food I eat - I'm down to 187 lbs - what I do is walk every day for about 5 miles.
I might eat a fistful of meat every 3 or 5 days - I would never eat that much in a day - that's why I say the grams measurement is flawed - no one has any idea what amount of food I need per day - and I'd be porked out if had the amount you prescribe.
I've always heard the dinner plate rule is:
1/4 protein
1/4 starch
1/2 veg/fruits
1/4 protein
1/4 starch
1/2 veg/fruits
The standout from my time with GI specialty care after serious trouble was the importance of the fruits and vegatables being fresh. In that was importance of nutrients such as folate and calcium-rich and also fermented foods. Less and more consciously, it wasn't too hard to achieve. When I was first living independently decades ago I lost weight from exercise and liking more vegetarian and what I thought was "hippie" cooking from an associate. When I had serious pancreas problems it was a doc's handout like many.
A quick search got this that is a lot like the guidance I got when released from the hospital in 2007. How fast and easy things can turn bad is scary. The recent 2ish months dealing with injury and pain were scary in terms of weight gain and wanting to pursue poor choices.
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The healthy snacks, modest alcohol and watching fat intake along with keeping active are key for how my brain and body are. I'm really far from perfect. I cannot flip the discipline switch as my wife can but her discipline helps me.
Nobody is saying you GOTTA follow this protocol to be healthy, but if you are walking that much (which is GREAT, by the way), I kinda doubt you'd be "porked out" if you did it. I'm at 169lbs right now, but I was about 180 when I started this program about a month ago. Ten pounds in a month without feeling deprived...
Clearly you have been bamboozled by Big Starch.
You switch that to 1/3 protein and 2/3 veg/fruits and you won't be lacking carbs I betchaI too have heard good stuff about fermented foods, and I don't get much of that except for yogurt (and I'm kind of starting to give dairy the side-eye, but I'm not ready to give up cheese lol). Japanese cuisine has a few sources for this kinda stuff but I don't like em...The standout from my time with GI specialty care after serious trouble was the importance of the fruits and vegatables being fresh. In that was importance of nutrients such as folate and calcium-rich and also fermented foods. Less and more consciously, it wasn't too hard to achieve. When I was first living independently decades ago I lost weight from exercise and liking more vegetarian and what I thought was "hippie" cooking from an associate. When I had serious pancreas problems it was a doc's handout like many.
A quick search got this that is a lot like the guidance I got when released from the hospital in 2007. How fast and easy things can turn bad is scary. The recent 2ish months dealing with injury and pain were scary in terms of weight gain and wanting to pursue poor choices.
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Your Doctors, Your Care – Kaiser Permanente of Northern California
The healthy snacks, modest alcohol and watching fat intake along with keeping active are key for how my brain and body are. I'm really far from perfect. I cannot flip the discipline switch as my wife can but her discipline helps me.
Recently, my afternoon snack has been a whole grapefruit. I don't have any alcohol, and since I've started doing this diet, I haven't really worried about fats, mainly because I don't have much room for high-fat stuff after eating a whole grapefruit like an orange.
Thing about diet, besides the obvious individual differences stuff, is how many different ways there are to skin that cat. I know almost-totally plant-based guys who are absolutely RIPPED, and paleo/carnivore guys with great body-fat percentages and impeccable blood panels.
I also recently listened to a podcast with a guy who was WAY into superfoods, with the idea that instead of exercising so that we could eat as much food as possible without getting fat, why not aim for eating the SMALLEST amount of food that would make us not feel hungry and lose energy? Very interesting stuff, but he is eating all these exotic roots and berries from Tibet and stuff--super nutritionally-dense foods, so the amount of food he needs to eat to get his micronutrients is much less. Kinda hard and/or expensive to source those things, though of course there are some superfoods we can access.
Anyway, this thing is working well for me right now, and I don't see how it can hurt me, which is more than you can say for a lot of faddish diets.
metalicaster
Friend of Leo's
We get free tea and fruit at work. No other unhealthy snacks or drinks. And there’s a total ban on folks bringing in homebaked goods to share.
The reception has been broadly positive. It probably says something about us that they can part pay us in bananas and we like it.
wow, that's leaning into it!
I'm impressed.can't see that happening in my office
metalicaster
Friend of Leo's
That one isn’t so much a health initiative as a cautious don’t-get-sued measure.wow, that's leaning into it!
can't see that happening in my office
Allergen labelling is a legal requirement here now and they can’t trust the due diligence to a home cook. A load of unlabelled brownies in the break room is just asking for trouble.
It’s the kind of thing that gets corporate legal compliance teams really firing those memos out.
cyclopean
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Why wouldn’t dried fruit count? Just drink some water.
cyclopean
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Rum is made from sugar cane.
