68 Custom Vibro Champ

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  1. Twang Deluxe

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    Hello,

    can anyone tell me, why Fender doesn't make a 68 Custom or a 65 RI Vibro Champ? IMHO it would become a bestseller. Many people need a small tube bedroom amp with a classic Fender sound. It would be just perfect, if they would add a hidden Reverb knob, to keep the classic design of the faceplate.

    Since over a decade small tube amps become more and more popular. So I don't understand why they make 65 RI and 68 Custom Versions of the larger amps but only produce X2 and XD Versions of the Champ.
     
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    I agree with this, another small 6L6/6V6 from Fender without the 57 Champ reissue price tag would be a great addition to their lineup.
    Enough of all his el84 stuff, they just don't deliver that special shimmering clean we all love. (well most anyway):D
     
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    Some of the finest songs in rock history were recorded with blackface/silverface champs and vibro champs and countless great guitar players used them. The prices for these amps are inreasing. Some vintage champs are sold for more than a vintage Twin. It would be a shame if Fender would not make a real reissue
     
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    I'm sure Fender is aware and is working on the math to make it work. It's still hard to beat the price of vintage ones as there's no way you're getting a hand-wired anything for $500-600 USD.
     
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    Yup. There are still tons of SF champs around for ~$400. VCs for ~$600. Absolutely no incentive whatsoever for Fender to compete with that.

    A Super Champ costs $399. Bassbreaker 007 costs $449. Blues junior 1x10 costs $499.

    EDIT: Fender Tweed Champ is $999. The Mojotone Vibro-Champ clone kit is $725. Custom built is $950.
     
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    @corliss 1: I think you're right $500-600 for a handwired amp is hard to beat, but they also make a 68 Custom Version of the Twin Reverb and you can get an original Silverface for half the price of a 68 Custom.

    So the relatively low price of the 70s champs is not a reason for not making a reissue.
     
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    I see that good condition Vibro Champs are going for $550 and up in various places. There are a glut of these used amps still sitting unused that occasionally pop up for sale in local markets and garage sales for a lot less than $500. Kit versions abound in the $550+ price range as well. I had one given to me a few years ago and all I had to do to it was add a 3 prong power cord. Being a class A amp one has to question the need and expense of having a tube rectifier that's adds no sag or compression. Since the Princeton Reverb amp is so popular perhaps adding a low power switch and tone stack mod to emulate the Vibro Champ would make sense.
     
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    People balk at the handwired and EC 5F1. There's
    Because no-one wants to pay $1000 USD for it. They balked at the pine cabinet Tweed 5F1. Just look at what Allens, Victorias Swarts etc cost. As Corliss1 says you can buy a real one that won't depreciate 30% when it leaves the showroom.

    Even if it was done as a pcb 68 Custom style due to a lack of volume sales it'd cost close to the 65/68 Princeton. People won't pay that much for a limited baby 8"w 5w amp when for relatively little more you can have a 10" giggable Fender amp with tube reverb.

    Fender probably considers it's got the market covered.

    Champs are not really bedroom amps unless you have understanding family and neighbours. Sold all three of mine, got a modded Greta.
     
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    SF Champs are handwired, and still cheaper than boutique.

    But an already crowded low end small amp offering is a good reason for them not to. The SF/BF reissues are not handwired. But they are a step up from the build designs of the BJs and HRs. I'm not sure how Fender could fit a not-quite handwired Champ/VC reissue in their lineup. What would be the price point? What would the impact be on their budget amp lineup? Their "handwired" Tweed Champ reissue is $999. That's comfortably between most 5F1 kits and boutiques.
     
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    I think that it should be possible for Fender to build a 65 RI or 68 Custom Vibro Champ and to sell it for $ 600-700. It's not much more that you would pay for a Pro Junior or a Blues Junior and these amps are bestsellers.

    A 65 RI or 68 Custom Vibro Champ would be the perfect bedroom amp for people who play 60s Reissue Fender guitars.

    Today people spend a lot of money for Fender guitars which replicate every detail of vintage guitars of the 60s and then they play them at home through a Modelling Amp, a Blues Junior, Bassbreaker or one of the many another modern amps (me included). IMHO we need a real champ to get a real vintage Fender tone at home.
     
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    Price point is definitely an issue. In the $1000 range for example, you can get an Allen Chihuahua which has a ton more features including RAW control, reverb, master volume, great distortion and breakup capability.
     
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    @greghonda: I think you're right, there are many nice little amps for $ 1000. But for me the Fender Champ is one of the most iconic amps in history and it has more mojo than any other small amp (IMHO).
     
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    I don't see it happening. You can buy and update a BF / SF Champ or VC for far less than the $1000 Fender would charge - if not more.
    And then you get a nice hand-wired amp that should retain its value.
     
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    I agree with everything you said except the very last phrase. If you want a good clean tone at bedroom volume a Champ is hard to beat. You’ll get a lovely sound – better than a bigger amp running cold IME – at a very reasonable volume.

    Of course – and I guess that was your point – you can’t crank them unless you have very understanding family and neighbours. They can get loud! I just gigged my 5F1 with a big band, not mic’d, in a small/mid-sized room, and I was just barely undergunned…

    Anyway, IMHO as clean bedroom amps they’re really hard to beat unless you want something you can CRANK … and then, even 1W tends to be too much.
     
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