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6 in line vs 3 on a side vs straight/tilt

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by pypa, Oct 20, 2020.

  1. pypa

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    I can only find design examples of 6-in-line tuners with straight headstocks, and 3-on-a-side with angled headstocks.

    I understand why 3-on-a-sides might normally need the tilt (to possibly compensate for out-of-line strings to the tuners.

    But why aren't 6-in-lines ever tilted, to eliminate the need for staggered posts or trees?
     
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    There are plenty, just not named Fender or Gibson :)
     
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  3. Freeman Keller

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    Six in a line dates back to Stauffer and before

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    Obviously they can also be one side of a twelve string or lots of other configurations
     
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    schmee Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    I would say because of cost, tilted headstock takes more manufacturing time and wood?
     
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    Plenty of inline 6 / tilted headstocks on shredder guitars, Jackson, ESP, et. al.

    Never seen a flat 3&3 though.

    Edit: Do Porsches count?
     
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    The original Snakehead Tele was :)
     
  7. Freeman Keller

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    Angled heads are traditional, whether slotted or solid, and allow control of the string breaking over the nut. You simply have to have some way to hold it in the slot. I think Leo started using the flat head simply for cost - once jigged up it is simple to make. The string tee ("tree") solved the break over problem and the look became iconic.

    The one big advantage that straight heads have (and I'm sure this was not the reason Leo used them) is that they are much less prone to breakage. Angled heads with short cross grain break.
     
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    1966-Gibson-Trini-Lopez-Pelham-Blue-1.jpg Gibson Trini Lopez. The exception to many rules. This is the Standard, the deluxe model also had this feature.
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    The Firebird also.
     
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    I had a Trini on my work bench a long time ago, along with a rather nice vintage 335. In my opinion the Trini just looked weird.


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    All four specs mix & match, we just see trad Fender and trad Gibson as the center of the universe.
     
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    For sure on the breakage thing!
     
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    Framus made lots of flat 3x3s, and they included a string bar to keep the break angle over the nut sharp enough so the strings ring properly. But then that bar created the expected tuning stability issues.

    On some of these, the headstock develops a forward bow. It's just a matter of time before it turns into a fist like you see on upright basses :twisted:

    It wasn't just 3x3s, either.

    Here's a particularly scary one:

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    Yeah, but thats really only an issue with sawn heads. Joined head can be strong enough to not break and are so much more efficient at their use of wood.
     
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    Two 3x3 headstocks with different approaches: on the left is my Shergold Masquerader, with a flat headstock (set back no more than a Fender) using variable height locking tuners to get the break angle needed over the nut. On the right is my PRS SE245 taking a more traditional approach with a back-angled headstock.
    BTW both are designed to have a straight pull through the nut to the tuners — it’s not particularly difficult to do on a 3x3 headstock, Gibson have just decided they’re not interested!
     
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    SD Curlee guitars and basses had 3 on a side (or 2 on a side) headstocks with no tiltback.
     
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    Don't know, don't care.

    Some look this way, some look that way. They all work.

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    https://www.tdpri.com/threads/a-semi-hollow-thing.1050086/page-2

    I tried an angled 6 on a side headstock on my recent build. The end of page 2 has pictures with some finish on it. I mostly made it this way to avoid using strings trees, and I just think it looks good.

    It seems like a pretty strong joint but I could see where the added length makes it more prone to breaking.
     
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