'58 Tremolux

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  1. High Head Brad

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    A 1958 Tremolux just appeared for sale in Australia which is pretty rare for these parts. The advertisement lists it as a 5E9 but based on the year (assuming this is correct) I think it should be a 5E9-A.

    Anyway I would dearly love to get a Tremolux, but especially the 5G9. How different is the 5E9-A from the 5G9?

    The original transformer has been replaced with a 'ToneClone Pro from Mercury'. Any reason to be concerned by that?
     
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    Hey, I'm in Australia....tell me more......(no seriously, you'd better not....)
     
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    haha. I'm in Brisbane too so we can do a deal..... if either of us buys it then we have to let the other guy come over to play it!
     
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    Any changed transformer will have a significant effect on that amp's value; especially an output transformer.
     
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    Deal, Brad.
     
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    Sorry I should have been more explicit in my concerns relating more for the tone of the amp. I'm very aware that this has affected the value. The amp is currently overpriced for this reason IMO, but if the seller would be willing to negotiate I would be interested
     
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    I’d still go for it if the price is right. Most likely won’t be able to tell a difference in tone especially if you don’t have another all original tremolux right next to it to compare it to. Collectability? It’ll always be a players amp now but you know that. Mercury Magnetics are quality replacements.

    You said it yourself, the tweed tremolux are rare in your area, I wouldn’t pass that up over a transformer as long as the price is fair.
     
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    Did they make export amps in the 50's? I wonder if the transformer was changed to deal with different voltag . Just thinking out loud.
     
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    No it is still 110V so would need a step down transformer
     
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    That would be another reason no to over-pay.
     
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    I would want (and do) a 5G9.

    I’ll oversimplify here and the experts will jump down my throat but I believe the following to be true : The 5E9 is a Tweed deluxe with trem. Cathode biased. Gives it up just like a deluxe.

    The 5G9 is big boxed fixed bias , slightly higher wAttage and its all about the phase inverter ? Eh ? Some kind a deal that is similar to a tweed Bassman.

    Later breakup , sharper.

    I have owned a 1957 5E3 and my buddy currently has the 1960 5G9 That I lust after.

    I much prefer everything about the 5g9.

    How similar the 5e9 is from the 5E3 I’m not 100% sure, but I always heard it characterized as similar in tone and break up.
     
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    Given I currently have a 5E3 clone that I really love and have no plans to depart ways with, then maybe the 5E9-A isnt a great option for me as i would prefer another amp that doesnt have too much overlap
     
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    All I can tell you is that I got to play through a restored '59 Tremolux playing Jimmy Pages purple Les Paul with the Transperformance tuning system in it. Oh, man, that was fun! I get shivers just thinking about it. Try to get it for a fair price and play the heck out of it!
     
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    I have played both circuits & much prefer the 5E9-A. More touch
    sensitive & more dynamic. The 5G9 is louder & more headroom
    if that is your cup of tea... :cool:
     
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    Do we know for sure it's a 1958? If so, it "should" be a 5G9, very much not in the same vein as a 5e3. Fixed bias, LTP inverter, and the 'golden' power-tube tremolo.

    You'll be aware that the 5G9s mostly (or entirely) have 5e9a-labeled tube charts. For this reason they're often sold as a "5e9a." OTOH dating these guys can be a slight challenge, esp. if the tube chart date stamp is missing. Got a pic of the chassis? As we discussed in a recent thread, the G9 will have filter caps in a a doghouse and a bright green selenium rectifier between PT and board.
     
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    I'm not entirely sure it is a 1958. That is just based on the sellers information. Here's a photo of the tube chart and chassis

    IMG_1975 (1).PNG

    Tremolux chassis.jpg
     
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    Thats a lot of orange drops!

    5G9 circuit, though. Filter caps are tucked away in a doghouse.
     
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    Thanks. Excuse my naivety but can you explain where the doghouse is in this pic?
     
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    No naivety about it, I'm just learning too. The doghouse is on the backside of that pic, on the same side as the transformers. In the earlier Tremolux circuits the filter caps (3 big caps) were in the chassis, on the left most side of the eyelet board (where those two horizontal caps are).

    Edit: and where that potentiometer is. Not sire what that is or if it was stock. Could be to set bias??? @Wally
     
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    I dont know what that pot has been installed for but I'm pretty certain its not stock
     
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