5751 in Tweed Fender 5F1 Champ Clone

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I recently ordered some tubes for my amp, a 5F1 champ clone with a 10” speaker in a Princeton sized cabinet, because I didn’t have a backup rectifier. Took the opportunity to order a few more NOS power tubes and a NOS JAN GE 5751 for kicks. I love the amp but it’s a little buzzbox with P90’s and humbuckers and was wondering if less gain would help. Holy cow. I’ve found a new go-to preamp tube for my Champ.

It cleaned up the gain, but there’s still plenty of gain since it’s a little Champ, but it gets fatter before it starts to distort. P90’s sound amazingly fat and sweet, and the amp handles humbuckers much better. The amp stays cleaner longer, even with Gibby style pickups. Generally it sounds to me like the power tubes work more before gain really starts to kick in, resulting in there being more “clean” (relatively speaking) headroom, it gets fatter, and THEN the gain kicks in. Just sounds bigger. Me likey. I never did care for the point where the gain starts picking up before the sound fattens up on this amp. I would always either run it clean or turn it up past that point. Now it’s much more usable and musical between this range.
 

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I've had this experience as well, although using 12AT7s. Off the top of my head I'm not actually sure why they sound so much thicker. The lower output impedance should make them sound brighter, but perhaps it's in the way it drives the power tube.

I also know that for the 8's I have around, a humbucker really overpowers them - they have a spot where they sound good, but quickly get overwhelmed with (bad) speaker distortion. I know this because it completely changes if I switch the amp with the same settings to a 12". The amp will sound very much cleaner even at full tilt. A lot of sound from 8" cranked distortion comes from speaker distortion. I'm guessing that 5751 lets you get right in the sweet spot easier whilst reducing the high end cut by having the volume at a higher setting.
 
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I've had this experience as well, although using 12AT7s. Off the top of my head I'm not actually sure why they sound so much thicker. The lower output impedance should make them sound brighter, but perhaps it's in the way it drives the power tube.

I also know that for the 8's I have around, a humbucker really overpowers them - they have a spot where they sound good, but quickly get overwhelmed with (bad) speaker distortion. I know this because it completely changes if I switch the amp with the same settings to a 12". The amp will sound very much cleaner even at full tilt. A lot of sound from 8" cranked distortion comes from speaker distortion. I'm guessing that 5751 lets you get right in the sweet spot easier whilst reducing the high end cut by having the volume at a higher setting.

On the 5751 it very well could be. I love the result! I did change the speaker too recently, swapped the Weber Alnico Sig 10s with a 10A125P which helped (think the speaker has more strength and doesn’t distort like the 10S) but the 5751 I put in after I’d already been playing the amp. It definitely made a positive difference.
 

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You can still use it as a tool for low volume playing. A bit more control adjusting your hair tone. I need it casue I am in my tiny 9x10 mini man cave orifice. I mean office.

I find I can stick a pedal in front of the amp with a nice sweet clean sound and get OD without having to crank the amp. If I need any less volume than that I’d just use a modeler on my iPad.
 
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