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Discussion in 'Just Pickups' started by aerhed, Mar 16, 2019.
Who knows which pickups were in ES335TD models in 1967? Anybody?
Mine had the original T Tops.
What the heck is a T top? Brand new term for me.
The coil bobbins have a "T" in the top. Google "Gibson T top", you'll find pictures.
Keep in mind, back in those days, Gibson was likely making only one model of humbucker. It's not like now where they make multiple variations to go in different kinds of guitars. So in 1967, an ES-335 had a Gibson humbucker, pure & simple.
Yep. My 67 335 had Pat # T-Top pickups.
T tops that early are basically a PAF style pickup that was made with better/more consistent manufacturing process. Typically around 7.5-7.6k.
T-tops sound great.
I theorize it’s because of the T.
Other letters just don’t sound as good.
The late 60s T had a special effect on the Q of the pickup.
Has anyone seen my tinfoil hat?
If they were T tops in a 335, I can confirm they are REALLY GOOD.
I have a set of patent# stickered T tops in my similar vintage but slightly younger 345. Can do jangle to rock. Nice clear bridge and jazzy, sweet neck.
I've had many a pat# T-top guitars in my hands along with swapping.
I don't even know how they sound anymore!
Off the top of my head, though I've played more than I've owned, the ones in my early 70's V I had were very balanced/even sounding and seemed kinda low output, what a sound! In my early 70's LPC I used to own they seemed a good bit hotter and all midrange with a hair of honk. In my ES340 they're a hair honky while still on the lower output end of things. On my modded 60's NR bird they are a good bit higher output sizzlin pair of rock'n'roll mf'ers, woah.
I say all this with a foundation of doing enough "swaps" with one pickup set to get a general feel of the deviation between guitars/pickups, ie the guitar's sound then it's sound with a certain set along with twiddlin' on heights/polepieces.
I've had similar experiences with "PAF's," from tryouts, the only common thing being they're a bit more articulate, sometimes to a fault. Dunno if it's the "starting wire" or the magnets or some freakin' wire coating or whatever.
But, IMO, old unpotted Gibson pickups are a crap shoot though they have certain common elements compared to modern stuff. I've NEVER really been disappointed though as the different personalities, to me, are a feature and the beauty of the lack of consistency.
I wondered the same thing when I found my '67 ES-175D.
When I had it restored by a luthier, he said they were most likely late Pat# or early T-Tops bc in the mid to late 60s they started swapping the Pat#s for T-tops.
If you want a definitive answer, you'll need to remove the pickup covers and look for a "T" mark on the pickup. I honestly wouldn't do it if they've never been taken off.
Here's a picture of my pickup for comparison, assuming mine is a pat# and not t-top bc of the output, but no guarantee.
I included both the neck and bridge output readings (mind you that it's not the most accurate reading just a ballpark).
Well I won't be doing that because the 335 was stolen in 89. I asked because they were really good (esp. the neck), and I was thinking of trying to match them on a different guitar. What's the opinion on T-top vs. PAF? Looking for warm clarity and string definition. Hate muddy chords.
That could depend on exactly when a given T-tops was made. I believe the T on the bobbins extended well into the 70's, and Gibson may have changed the formula more than once or twice during that time. Fairly recently I was interested in pretty much the same question and--not surprisingly--found varying opinions via a Google search. Some players say their T-tops sound fantastic, some say they're just average or mediocre. No question many were swapped out since they were current at the time the aftermarket pickups (Bill Lawrence, DiMarzio…) started making the scene.
My buddy’s ‘66 335 has the best pickups and worst neck of almost any guitar I’ve ever played.
All original but beat.
If I owned it I’d spend the grand or so and get it re-necked.