2x10" or 2x12" - sound difference?

[elektrovac]

I am shopping for a new amp. Either a used silverface Pro or Vibrolux Reverb or a new Weber kit assembled by a pro amp tech.

But I don't really know the sound charactaristics of the 2x10" speaker configuration.

I have always played 4x12 or 2x12 or 1x12, so I am a bit unsure what I would get soundwise in a 2x10".

Who can give me some clues?

I am very tempted of getting the Weber 6H14HP kit (30-35Watt 2x6L6 Princeton Reverb type) as a very compact 2x10" combo (taller than a regular PR).

Vintage Silverface Vibroluxes and Pro Reverbs is very scarce where I live (Denmark) and I like new.

 

[DOGMA Dunn]

A smuge little more bass and volume with the 2x12. but just a little. the louder you play it the more you will hear the difference.

 

[SamClemons]

It is wierd, I like the 12"s for guitar and the 10's for bass. I think the 10's add some punch to the already bassy bass, and the 12's add some bass to the already, often too bright, guitar.

 

[acousticman1]

I "feel" like the 10's are better for a heavier sounding guitar (usually w/ humbuckers) because they prevent the sound from getting flabby and boomy. However, I don't think it really matters a whole lot, so get whatever you like

 

[elektrovac]

Thanks, guys!

Maybe it should be added that I play bright single coil Fender guitars: Jazzmaster, Telecaster and Jaguar. I like the tight and punchy low end clear highs and bell like tone form those guitars - but I am very sensitive to ear piercing 'ice pick' harsh high end.

I hate overwound pickups so they all have 'vintage' type pickups. But I really enjoy overdrive, fuzz and distortion. I will probably go for british type speakers for my new combo (Weber alnico Blue Dog in combination with Weber ceramic Silver Bell - or the equivalent ten inch speakers is my idea...)

My fear is that ten inch speakers will lack low end punch

 

[Mike Simpson]

It depends on which 10" speakers you use...

Id the background is a BFSR, in the middle is a DRRI and closest is a BFSR in a 2x10 Newell cabinet... dog likes it.

 

[Jim Dep]

My fear is that ten inch speakers will lack low end punch

I understand. When I got my Peavey Delta Blues amp, I originally wanted the DB that came with the 15" speaker, especially for a tele. A 2x10" used Delta Blues came up and I tried that one out. For this amp, I love the 2x10's ! They are very punchy, plenty of bottom if you want it and stays clean on the low end, even with my Les Paul with humbuckers. I play classic rock, country, jazz, blues, funk but not the modern distortion.

 

[SnorkelMonkey]

Yep, it depends what speakers. I've heard new 10" speakers that were louder and have better frequency response than a lot of popular vintage/clone 12" speakers.

 

[Jim Dep]

Yep, it depends what speakers. I've heard new 10" speakers that were louder and have better frequency response than a lot of popular vintage/clone 12" speakers.

True, the Dela Blues comes with the Peavey "Blue Marvels" and they do well using single coil and humbuckers. I know people like upgrade speakers but I think these are designed well for the PV Classic series amps.

I mentioned in another thread that by putting an EQ pedal in the effects loop, you can really color your tones and dial in an amazing variety of sounds. Ad some highs for more sparkly, glassy tones, scoop your mids, boost you bass, etc. I found more great, usable tones pretty fast with this.

 

[Justinvs]

It is wierd, I like the 12"s for guitar and the 10's for bass. I think the 10's add some punch to the already bassy bass, and the 12's add some bass to the already, often too bright, guitar.

Me too. My bass cab is a Carvin 4 10 and it sounds great with my bass rig, but when I run my Marshall through it I miss the mid-heavy punch I get with my 4 12 Behringer cab.

Justiin

 

[Justinvs]

It depends on which 10" speakers you use...

Id the background is a BFSR, in the middle is a DRRI and closest is a BFSR in a 2x10 Newell cabinet... dog likes it.

Nice amps! Curious, does the SFSR sound more like the Deluxe or the BFSR?


Your dog looks like my daughter's Corgie/Border Collie cross.

Justin

 

[jh45gun]

Thanks, guys!

Maybe it should be added that I play bright single coil Fender guitars: Jazzmaster, Telecaster and Jaguar. I like the tight and punchy low end clear highs and bell like tone form those guitars - but I am very sensitive to ear piercing 'ice pick' harsh high end.

I hate overwound pickups so they all have 'vintage' type pickups. But I really enjoy overdrive, fuzz and distortion. I will probably go for british type speakers for my new combo (Weber alnico Blue Dog in combination with Weber ceramic Silver Bell - or the equivalent ten inch speakers is my idea...)

My fear is that ten inch speakers will lack low end punch

My EV Tens(ElectroVoice) sure do not lack any low end punch they are great tens.

 

[Mike Simpson]

It is a 66 BFSR in e Newell 2x10 cab with Weber 10A125 speakers. It sounds like a vibrolux only better... and heavier. It lacks something played at low volume but sounds great above 3 or 4..

Ralph is a very old (around 17), blind, deaf, Bston Terrier...

 

[Jim Dep]

It is a 66 BFSR in e Newell 2x10 cab with Weber 10A125 speakers. It sounds like a vibrolux only better... and heavier. It lacks something played at low volume but sounds great above 3 or 4..

Ralph is a very old (around 17), blind, deaf, Bston Terrier...

I'll bet he sure plays a mean pinball

I wish your dog more happy years ahead !

 

[tjalla]

I've never dug 10s except in a 4x10 (Bassman or Super) format. 2x12 work great for me.

 

[Axis29]

I'm actually a 2x10 guy for guitar. I love my Vibrolux and my Brown Vibroverb.

The vibrolux bass response is crazy. It;s got two Weber P10R's in it. It's nto boomy, but it kicks and has an incredible thundery tone. I wish I could describe it better, but 10's don't lose in the bass department.

When I was younger and had loud car stereos, I liked a 6" driver over the larger ones... It kicked harder and tighter bass. None of this boomy, vibrating pudding feel...

 

[tele salivas]

I am really liking the Eminence Red Fang 10" in my Princeton Reverb (Great recommendation Fezz Parka!). The low end is great, and I describe it as "Gets you in the guts, not the nuts" type of depth. Here is a good quick description from Billy Penn:
The Eminence Red Fang 10, is a ten inch speaker with a British voiced design similar to the old blue or silver alnico speakers found in classic Vox amps. The voice of this speaker definitely has a British character to it and it’s described by Eminence as having loads of detail, chime and grit and a nicely defined low end.
Rest of his review is here: http://www.300guitars.com/reviews/eminence-red-fang-10-speaker/
Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[ScottJPatrick]

This is a useful little site, try clicking on the same speaker in 10'' and 12'' versions and see if you can hear any difference. Should give you an idea. http://jensentone.com/tonechart.php