22 fret neck to 21 fret neck?

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  1. AbleMob

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    Just for convenience of changing pickups or pickguard, I was thinking of cutting down the fretboard of my 22 fret Indio/Monoprice tele down to 21 frets. I looks like I should be able to do this by removing the last fret and carefully cutting, even if it's at a slight bevel. I've attached 2 photos. IMG_4245.jpg IMG_4244.jpg Anybody have experience with this in regards to the actual width of the notch that would be left over?
     
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    I haven't actually done it, but it looks like a slight bevel will take care of it. I doubt that you'll even be able to tell.
     
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    You can do it, and hide it with a roundover.

    I don't "get" why you feel inconvenienced...but you can do it.
     
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    The "inconvenience" is minor at most; more for a sleeker look which I appreciate on my Squier bullet.
     
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    I’ve done it on a cheap neck and it turned out better than I thought it would.
     
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    You've already done a third of the work just by removing the neck! This should be pretty easy if you have the tools for the job.
     
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    Duplicate
     
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    Wow! I guess different strokes for different folks. I won't buy an electric guitar that has less than 22 frets. All my Fender types have 22 frets. The 1952 Les Paul's had 22 frets and the 1954 Stratocaster had 6 saddles and the 1954 Les Paul Custom had a 6 saddle tune-o-matic bridge. I don't see any reason why in 2021 a guitarist should settle for less than 22 frets and 6 bridge saddles on an electric. It's true we don't play up at the very top that often. But sometimes we want to finish with a big buildup climbing up the fret board and hit that climactic high D as the finishing note to a song or solo. I want to have the option of that high D or bend up to high E for those rare occasions.
     
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    Guess not everyone is you.

    Here's a reason for you...

    Due to my frequent changing of Tele pickups & sometimes pickguards I also prefer 21 frets. My 22-fret Warmoth makes the work a big pain. If I want those high notes my fingers are strong enough to bend up to 'em - yours aren't?
     
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    For ease of changing pickups I trimmed the pickgaurd to clear the overhanging fretboard. It’s really easy and not really noticeable
     

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    I just got done doing this on one of my builds. I've come to disdain 22 fret guitars for the exact reason you mentioned. Putting the pickguard back on is a hassle. Sure you can trim up the pickguard, but I prefer the look of 21 fret guitars.

    This neck started out as a 22 fret because at the time I made it I was still struggling to find a good way to cut a nut slot. Stewmac sells fretboards with nut slots cut, but they're 24 fret. Lmii sells anything you want, but they won't cut the nut slot for some reason. So for this one I went with stewmac. The other day I got frustrated and took it to the bandsaw and cut it off. Pulled the fret off, cut the overhang and cleaned it up on the router. Someday I'll refinish it and fill in the empty fret slot somehow but for now I'm happy and unbothered by how it looks.

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    My fingers are strong enough. But with an extra fret I can bend a semitone higher than you and play in a wider variety of keys. My first electric guitar in 1985 had 24 frets, and the style of music I learned in the 1980s had a lot of high fretboard notes in it. Like I said, different strokes for different folks. No need to get defensive and question/criticize my finger strength. It wasn't a putdown, just noticing differences between different generations of guitar players. I guess there are differences on how often people change pickups and pickguards too. I usually change pickups or pickguards once at most and often not at all. Not better or worse, just different. Peace.
     
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    Resized_20200423_214222 (1).jpeg 20200915_180650.jpg I guess it depends on if you look at it from the player's perspective or the builder's perspective. As a player I like having the extra fret. I'm not much of a builder, but I have changed out the pickguard on a couple of 22 fret Teles and Strats and it wasn't a hassle. Maybe changing the pickups is more of a pain. I'm probly a little out of place on a partscaster blog.
     
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    What am I missing here? I've never had a problem sliding the PG out from under the overhang on any of my Fenders with a 22 fret neck
     
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    Ive done it with all my Warmoth and USACG conversion necks. Although with those necks there is ample room on both tele and strat heels. I too dislike an overhang. I do it in part for ease of pickguard removal and I prefer the aesthetics. In your case if you dont mind the appearance and just want to be able to swap, go for it.
     
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    Depends what Pickguard you have. Some are thick, some are thin.

    Anyways, trimming that 22nd fret off should be easy. Then mask off by staining the wood after bevel and sanding.
     
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    Has anyone tried leaving the fret, but just hacking half of the overhang off? Or filing the underside to allow more room for the pickguard? Just curious.
     
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    Did you have a pickup (or two) attached to that pickguard? I've got something like 15 pickguards in different colors & configurations, trimming them all is out of the question.

    This applies to Strats too...
     
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    Can part of the overhang be trimmed while leaving the 22nd fret on, or the underside of the fretboard be sanded down?

    Yes Strats and most Teles have the pickups attached when you put them on. The older Teles had the neck pickup attached to the wood and some of vintage reissues do too
     
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    You know you can also enlarge the neck pickup rout (toward the bridge, maybe 3/8") in order to lift the rear of the guard over the bridge plate, slide it back from under the board, and lift it out that way.
    Less work than cutting off a fret if you include trying to make the bodged up neck look OK by putting a funny bevel on it and sanding it down.
    Invisible too.
     
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