2063 Years Ago...

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  1. JuneauMike

    JuneauMike Friend of Leo's

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    This has to be the smartest guitar forum ever.
     
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    That might mean something if this was drum forum :)
     
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    JuneauMike Friend of Leo's

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    For centuries the one common ruling principle of mankind was the "Conquest Doctrine." That means if I kill you, I keep your stuff and I write your history. If you are strong, I generally leave you alone, and vice versa. Pretty much all civilizations operated within the guidelines of this. We got smarter and more sophisticated about our friendships, alliances, mutual opportunities, etc. But at the end of the day, he who has the strongest army ruled the most land.

    You can't judge history or historical figures through our modern cultural mores. Its really a non sequitur. His life seems to have been a great achievement. So was his death.
     
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    This is a telecaster forum discussing the historical relevance of the Ides of March.

    Come on, give props where they are due.
     
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    But only ONE Julius Caesar......
     
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    And only 1 lived to retire.
     
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    yes, we celebrate Genghis Khan, and Vlad the Impaler too. I agree that we should not expect historical figures to be lovely and sweet viewed through our modern glasses. But if we don't recognize them for what they actually did, we are not studying history; we are repeating earlier tales of glorification.

    Those guys - including Julius - were blood-thirsty bastards. They did as much to demean humanity as they ever did to progress it. They did it for personal glory; along the line some of them found it advantageous to implement some measures that actually improved the lives of their subjects. But that is really a side-effect. The story of the Romans is a story of personal power and the struggle - between men - to achieve and wield more of that power. More often this was to the detriment of subjected and enslaved peoples. But hey - they don't get to write the stories, do they?

    And anyway - we don't discuss politics here!

    The Ides of March is past, with all the tales it holds. We are now looking forward to St Patrick's day! Sure and there's a tale or two to be told there as well!
     
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    Well this isn't politics, its culture. And that most certainly changes over time. But it changes out of necessity and convenience. I think by any measure the Roman Empire was a great civilization (Don't make me quote Monty Python here, lol).

    I'm not going to excise the great historical figures from history or minimize and otherwise redefine their accomplishments because their cultural norms seemed kinda not nice in contrast to our gentile existence. But I see what you are getting at.
     
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