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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by micpoc, Jan 15, 2020.
Ugh. Rappers are felons, then?
I have been one of the biggest rocknroll fan since I was a child. I've been to a ton of noted artists show. I like fusion, some jazz. Heck I went to see Brad Paisley alone cause no rocker I knew would go. STOP!, All said, why is it I have absolutely no desire to see the ROCKNROLL hall of fame? I should support them, but I don't want to. This world is not normal by a long shot. I see nothing inviting enough for me to expose myself to the escapade. It probably just shouldn't be.
Well, the ones I represented who were not felons, didn't seem to be taken seriously. That's just my personal experience. Nice guys, who lacked credibility.
And you have forgotten just how large a segment of the New Orleans population have been through the system. I haven't.
I think, if you wanna get past the struggles of your life, you go and sing Ave Maria at church services. You embrace the rest of the culture of your community. Instead of trying to exaggerate your connection to Tulane and Broad and the House of D. Rap is about Defiance and Confrontation. Which I guess is fine for people living in posh suburbs but it actually holds you down if you still live on the street you were born on.
Rap is like people eating greasy, triple Cheeseburgers. In the end, it just isn't good for your health. I'm sick of people promoting things that hurt others, for no meaningful gain.
Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame is a misnomer.
How about “The Most Popular Music Hall Of Fame”. There, I fixed it.
A bit of a stereotype, isn't it? Too strong an assertion IMHO, that a musical genre is married to cultural and societal dysfunctions. I know most of this is outside the scope of what can be discussed here, so that almost troll-like meme is kinda surprising. Blues wasn't so uplifting or morally redeeming either (or real rock n roll for that matter). Most people don't want to live a RnR or real Bluesman lifestyle, that's why it's paid entertainment for the people who want to listen. If I can listen to morally reprehensible Jerry Lee Lewis or Hasil Adkins, I can listen to Melle Mel warning about the dangers of white lines, and Biggie too.
My usual caveat -- the RnR HOF is a stupid concept stupidly implemented.
That out of the way, I was pleasantly surprised to see Depeche Mode get in. Well deserved.
Glad to see T Rex...long time coming.
Same caveat as my above post.
Happy though I am to see Depeche Mode get in, putting them in and Nine Inch Nails, but not Kraftwerk, is a nice example of the stupidity of the exercise.
agree. NIN owes a lot to Depeche Mode. and Depeche Mode certainly owes something to Kraftwerk, who, i think it is fair to say, are recognized innovators of the electronica genre.
I can't wait to see Tool get inducted.
Just as much as the Grammys are too!
Wrong thread, perhaps?
100% and on top of that Kraftwerk was hugely influential on Detroit Techno/ Chicago House and early Hip Hop.
eh - i prefer what ministry or nitzer ebb were getting up to around the same time.
Perhaps the Rock and Roll part of the name should change, maybe it's dated. Music For The Masses could work as a name
The whole thing is a bit of a non-event to me, TBH. I always think this kind of thing appeals to those who like to obsessively make lists.
IMHO Whitney had a great voice, & the Doobie Bros were like an aurally-administered sedative.
However, if the HoF has any notions of musical credibility then the omission (so far) of Kraftwerk has to be addressed.
Whether you like them or not, their influence on the whole musical landscape (OK, probably not including country...) of the last 50 years is huge.
You have a narrow idea of what rap is, then. Hell, Kendrick Lamar won a Nobel prize.
It's not a full scope of what rap and hip-hop really are. There are and have always been plenty of artists who don't represent that stereotype.
When I first came to New Orleans in 1971, we did have a manufacturing plant that made neckties. For real. And of course there's the plant that manufactured toilets, just off Airline in Kenner. But, for the most part we do "port" activity and we have lots of lots of people trained in various service trades. Cooks, waiters, bellhops, bartenders, choreographers, stage hands, musicians and so on. That's what we do. When young people are trying to determine how to get ahead, they wanna open studios or learn how to protect their intellectual property rights and lawyers with a street presence will get a steady flow of people who are looking for clues as to how to get ahead and stay ahead. New Orleans just seems to be swimming in people with all sorts of talents that pertain to entertaining and looking after people. The average kid doesn't aspire to be a burglar or thug. Some of these people are prepared to just about work themselves to death. It isn't stereotyping.
(The chance for) Upward Mobility is what changed, between the blues/rhythm and blues/rock/funk generation, and the rap generation. A potential rap personality might be holding a college scholarship package, where the blues guy wasn't even allowed in the door. Opportunity is what has changed. I'm not inclined to be judgmental of Aaron Neville or Lee Dorsey if the alternative to playing music was working, loading and unloaded cargo vessels on the waterfront. That was their menu of choices. But I would submit that the New Orleanians younger than me, can break away and attempt any lifestyle at all that appeals to them. Going the gangster route is an affirmative decision - it is only a default choice if you lack character.