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- Jun 21, 2011
The problem with looking at both sides of an issue is that it gives you eyestrain, and makes your head hurt.
I'm so sorry your son went through that Toto. Sounds like he handled all of it with grace that I would probably never be able to muster.I'll play the devil's advocate to my own post here. If I had it to do over, I don't know that I would have recommended my son take on his fight against cancer. He did everything right, but the various treatments they put him through made him worse and worse. He had a really tough go of it. Had he not had any treatment at all, he might have lived better for about a third, possibly half the time he did. Still, he had the experience of having his little girl who was eight through ten years old helping him like a miniature Florence Nightingale.
Thank you CSE. It has now been over nine years since my oldest son has passed, I still miss him every single day that I still remain alive. They say time heals all wounds, but I don't hold that to be true anymore.I'm so sorry your son went through that Toto. Sounds like he handled all of it with grace that I would probably never be able to muster.
In that case, I think you need to get out more!I don’t know how to comment on this without getting into political/religion mode. Hard pass!
Exactly , I just worked in a guys house that was 94 . Healthy , fit , out playing tennis every other day , if not every day . Fantastic quality of life .it’s true, Health care has found ways to extend the length of life , That’s very true . But it’s really up to the individual person how they want to eat ,exercise and maintain their physical health .Seems odd that he would stop taking vaccines.
Anyhowdy, I see a large ranges of living conditions in 70-year-olds. Some can barely walk, others are out skiing.
I'm glad Canada has MAID (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada) (Canadians don't typically leave pistols on the breakfast table), but it's not on speed-dial on my phone.
Since I was a wee lad I was dragged into nursing homes to visit the miseries.That's fair. But I would still argue, in MANY cases yes-- the years are extended. But the actual "good living" not quite as much.
And of course, there are many exceptions.
I look forward to the possibility of living a long GOOD life. I'm not as stoked about a long life if it involves dealing with a lot of stuff that's not very pleasant.
Segovia was asked after a concert, why he played a particular piece so fast.I turn 75 in a few months. I have survived cancer, a heart attack, and sepsis. I don't feel disabled, although I do not like to drive at night.
Last week I led the music at an afternoon worship service at a senior living center. I do this every month. I think this is why I survived cancer, the heart attack. and sepsis.
I watched an old clip of Willie Nelson playing Whiskey River so fast he didn't run into the end of it, he hit the front of it!Segovia was asked after a concert, why he played a particular piece so fast.
His answer was "because I can".
He was 93.
FWIW, just this month I started, wait, was that last month?I really appreciate all the good discussion here. It's an interesting topic.
My wife has instructions that if I ever get to the point where I need assistance using the latrine, she is to leave a loaded pistol out on the breakfast table with a post-it attached that reads "DO THE RIGHT THING."
Following that, she has instructions to wait for the big bang and then go get a mop and bucket ...
I hope he gets his wish.Why I Hope to Die at 75
Article is from The Atlantic, hopefully it allows you to read, if you're curious.
Author is Ezekiel Emanuel, a (retired, I think?) oncologist, bioethicist, and a vice provost of the University of Pennsylvania.
His article spends a good bit of time on his primary concern with aging: the quality of your life nearly always worsens, and in many cases, significantly. He is particularly fearful of dementia--as am I. I largely agree with many things put forth in his article, particularly this:
"...over the past 50 years, health care hasn’t slowed the aging process so much as it has slowed the dying process."
Meaning, we may have found ways to delay death and thus extend the number of years we have here... but we haven't necessarily found ways to extend good, quality years of life.
He goes on to say, "but here is a simple truth that many of us seem to resist: living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived. It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic."
When asked if a couple months ago, has anything has for him since he wrote the infamous 2014 article, Emanuel said, "I wouldn't say nothing." Emanuel's partner does not agree with his plan, and "she would like me to consider preventative measures like a flu vaccine. A lot will depend on whether I really am a rare outlier** at 75, and I'm not deceiving myself. That will be the biggest challenge . . . We are in discussions," Emanuel said. (in his article, he indicates he's not going to kill himself or live unnecessarily dangerously when he hits the 75ish mark... but he also won't actively try to extend his life with vaccines, cancer treatment, etc. He would seek palliative care, but not curative care)
(**ie, someone exceptionally fit and healthy)
As I said, I agree with a lot of what he says in his article... but it's also interesting he seems to be leaving the door open for a bit more "flexibility" than his earlier adamant stance
I was always told to be careful what you wish for!I hope he gets his wish.
Copy that Gold Leader!I was always told to be careful what you wish for!