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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by medownsouth, Apr 14, 2021.
Was the boss balding, with pointy hair?
Came back to add what you did, an NDA at separation is toothless without consideration. Salary in arrears is not consideration. I have given the same feedback to a few employers who were genuinely dumbfounded. Clueless but effectively abusive is still abusive.
Yup kick back, or if you have sick time use it, they blocked your means to do work, so might as well enjoy the slow-down before the next job
My policy as a business owner was consistent. If an employee gave notice, they were paid the two weeks and any other benefits due and asked to pack up and leave the same day. A few seemed offended they were not asked to stay for the two weeks. Most were pleased. My belief was/is everyone is replaceable, including the boss. Sometimes it caused some delay, but usually there was someone looking for a job or internally someone wanting to do the job.
I worked in the commercial finance sector for many years where I had access to millions of dollars. Literally. I could move money around at will so, lots of trust involved. You agreed to give t weeks notice when you took the job, but the moment you gave it they would lock your access and escort you out of the building. You still got paid so really they paid you for taking a two week vacation. That's the way I looked at it anyway.
When I gave notice at the hotel before starts my own company I agreed to train my replacement. Running a water sports section of a hotel isn’t that much rocket surgery but I had developed some ways that made the staff and guests lives easier. They waited until my notice was almost up to hire a replacement. I showed him the skeleton of what I could have taught in a week or so but not in three days
Jump ahead a month and the HR director comes to the bar where there was a weekly Sunday jam. She asks to reconsider returning. The replacement lasted 10 days and quit. I said that’s very flattering but you can’t afford me and that I haven’t worked 10 hours a week since I left. Then I told her my hourly rate and the subject was changed
Giving notice is a courtesy that isn’t as valid anymore as it was years ago.
I gave notice at a tv station and wasn’t allowed to touch any equipment. They wouldn’t fire me so I asked what am I supposed to do? It was repeated not to touch anything. I took my tools, manuals (some of which were the ones I got from tech school on the equipment & the only ones in house), license (1st Phone), and my awards home. I spent my remaining time hanging out with the receptionist, traffic ladies, & editors not touching any equipment
I took a job for a big NGO a decade back. When I gave notice, my employer counter-offered, and I ran it by the new folks. The hiring manager for the new place told me to "never accept a counter offer, they'll likely be bitter and start actively searching for your replacement."
Sounded like good advice (it is), and I was ecstatic to repeat it to the exact same lady when I was re-hired by the old company into a new role at a significant bump a few months later. She said, "well what if I could get you an X% raise?" I told her a very smart person had advised against that very practice. She hung up in an absolute snit, have to say it was pretty delicious.
There are so few times when the worker has the strong hand. I really live for those times.
If you give two weeks notice, you are more likely to leave on good terms with your employer and get a good recommendation from them when future employers call and ask about you. That is what I was taught. I'm surprised no one else has mentioned that here yet.
I gave a month at my last employ...my contract was coming up anyway. I spent the month laying the plans for those remaining to carry on and when we got to the last couple of days, we went over it in detail on the big white board in my office. The underling who was to run it kept that white board sacrosanct (what happened to the paper plans and computer files I'll never know) and worked off of it until the outfit hired my replacement 11 months later. Underling told me later the new guy came in and the first thing he did was erase the white board...then turned to the crew and asked to see what was planned. "uh, boss, you just erased it."
A few people I know that are managers in the restaurant or club business have a few stories about people that are like that on the job full time, stealing anyway.
The most recent behavior I've seen in IT in the past 3 or 4 years is to just "ghost" the former employer when you take the bigger and better deal job. You just stop showing up at the office (or, these days, logging in from home), block them on Slack and the like, screen their calls and so forth. Eventually the jilted employer will get the idea and realize you aren't coming back. We've had this happen in our organization a number times. This originally started as newly hired people not showing up on their first day but it seems to have extended to people quitting a job as well.
Being escorted to the door by Security is standard practice if you give notice at a Wall Street bank. Of course, they do pay you the remaining salary.
It’s good to see that there are people who still care enough to want to do a good job, even if they are leaving. You were upfront and gave them proper notice, and you were aware of what was necessary for the team to transistion after you leave. You tried. Good luck with your next job.
We have a resignation schedule/process which includes project handoffs project debriefing to managers, then one on one debriefings, hr debriefings, hardware return. There is no animosity, usually done by Mon or Tues of second week where we have a sendoff with cake (they get paid the full 2 weeks.). Keeping it identical for each employee keeps the a**hole bs from happening
Where I was located was a "right to work" state, meaning employers could not give recommendations good or bad, only confirm that you worked there. Very few places even ask for a letter of recommendation anymore, in my experience.
Perhaps but what's funny is, they'll find a way to get along. I've seen it more times than I can count, including a Sr. DBA who croked on the job, and he was the only guy that did what he did. It might be a struggle for them at first but they'll figure it out, so I wouldn't worry too much about it IMO. Enjoy your elongated lunches!
In Spain and I believe in the whole EU two weeks notice is mandatory. But on both sides. Employer also must give you two weeks. As a month of payed holidays a year (or 22 days if splitted) is also mandatory, when I have left a company I made it to say "I am leaving, I am saying it with two weeks in advance"... "Ok, I still have two weeks of holidays... I am taking them"
I worked one place which was seasonal, no sales meetings from Memorial day - Labor Day, so no business presentations were needed, which is what me, and two other employees did. This was pre-internet, so we sat in a tiny office all summer long, basically just staring at each other. The boss was fine with it, he knew that we made him a ton of $ the rest of the year, but it was tough.
Too much potential liability for companies to do that any more, just dates of employment.
Sounds like a plan. Take the Money and run.
About 15 years ago, through a mistake, I was nearly downsized out of my position. My employer expected me to train my junior coworker to do the job. I would point out that I was the only one who knew how to do this particular job. I was pretty incensed. No, I was extremely pissed off. I had absolutely no intention of training this young man. Call me petty, but I would’ve called in sick, obfuscated and stalled my way through my final few weeks. As it turned out, an Administrator realized that it was a mistake and that they couldn’t afford to lose me.
Right to work means you can't be forced to join a union as a condition of employment.
A lot of states have laws that shield employers from liability over references if you only disclose certain things and don't do anything intentionally misleading. Most employers do confirmation only to avoid legal exposure at all.