1x12 in a Tweed Super?

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  1. High Head Brad

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    I'm currently looking at getting a Tweed Super built by Headstrong and was initially planning on a 1x12" speaker. Main reasons were largely due to portability, cab size and more familiarity with 12" speakers.

    However I've since read a few comments around the traps about the 'magic' of the 2x10's in the Super's so now I am reconsidering. Interested to hear any thoughts on what differences I could expect between both options.
     
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    That circuit was essentially the exact same for the bandmaster, pro and super. People love to talk about magic, but they’re all 99% the same. Just get it with whatever speaker configuration you prefer, and enjoy. One of my favorites!
     
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    Thanks. Yea I'm across the bandmaster / pro / super overlap. But good point....... I could call the amp a version of any of those
     
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    A couple of low power alnico speakers won't weigh much more than a single 12". I've owned 1x12, 2x10 and 3x10 versions, and my favourite is the 2x10. Same size as a Hotrod deluxe, and gives a swirly 3D tone.
     
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    Like Uncle Daddy said you get more 3D and punch from the 2x10. And it´s not much bigger or heavier than 1x12. I love the 2x10 in my Tweed Super and never looked back to 1x12 or 2x12 amps I owned before.
     
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    I don't own a 2x10" combo, but I do own a 2x10" cab. Since building it, the 12" stuff just doesn't get a look in [1]. Clarity, punch, soundstage and bass in spades. If your builder is up for it, why not get another baffle so you can chop and change to suit your whim?, or buy/build a 2x10" cab and every now and then, run the amp through that.

    [1] I'm most of the way through building a 12" equipped sort of 5f2a combo. Running my Champ-a-like head through the cabinet, then through its normal 2x10", I'm half wishing I'd gone the head/cab route again. The combo speaker sounds just fine, but when you have a taste for double cream topping your cake, somehow single cream seems lacking.
     
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    If I was getting a Super, I'd go 2x10 in a V-front cab. Live life to the fullest.
     
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    Hmmmmm you guys are making a pretty compelling case for 2x10’s!
     
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    I would DEFINITELY do 2x10's. I have always been fond of amps that are 1x12's, and three of my four amps have a single 12" speaker: a vintage Deluxe Reverb, a 6g2 brown Princeton clone, and a 5e3 clone. But there is really something different about a 2x10 configuration, which I have in the 5f4 tweed Super I built. It is just stunning. and it's not heavy. It's lighter than my '76 Deluxe Reverb, which has an MDF baffle. I'd have loved to have had a 5e7 Bandmaster, but I think portability would have become more of a problem there.

    As others have said, the circuits of the 5f4 Super, the 5e7 Bandmaster, and the 5e5 Pro (or is it 5e5-a in particular?) are virtually identical. I did a direct comparison between the 5f4 and 5e7 circuits when I built my 5f4, and everything is identical--everything--except the value of a local negative feedback resistor (twice as much NFB/half the resistor value in the 5f4) and the number of speakers (5f4: 2x10; 5e7: 3x10). I built my 5f4 with the lesser NFB of the 5e7 and have absolutely loved that amp.

    Please build your 5f4 with 2x10's! :)
     
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    You raise a really good point actually. My other amp (after I sell a HPTT clone to fund this one) has a 1x12 (5E3 clone) so the different configuration is probably a nice contrast. I think you have sold me on the 2x10’s. In this case, what speakers would you recommend? I’m not really familiar with any 10” speakers but I assume Weber make some nice alnico’s
     
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    Unless you have really short arms, the 3x10 drags along the ground when you pick it up. Almost!
     
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    My arms aren’t short but I’m definitely not gonna get a Bandmaster...... not this time around at least.
     
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    I like the Webers in my Tweed Super. I went for a mix of alnico and ceramic speakers but there´s also nothing wrong with two Weber alnicos.
     
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    My experience is it's easier to find the right speaker you like in 12". I have had a TON of trouble trying to get the right 2 x 10 combo. Others have too... if you look up the old Vibrolux Speakers thread I think it went for years ... with people trying to find the speakers they like.
    Here's ROUND 12 of that thread!
    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/vibrolux-reverb-speakers-round-12.702171/
     
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    I mean, that was one obsessed person. And I do mean obsessed in the most flattering way possible because I do appreciate what he did, but I think at some point you just have to accept your tone for what it is and play guitar.
     
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    I went with the much-maligned Jensen "reissue" P10R's. They were very well broken in, and they sound magnificent! Other than those, I would go with a pair of Eminence alnico 1028k for sure. Weber does make some good speakers, but I don't think you'll find anything better than those Eminence 1028k's.
     
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    OP: If you go that way you might contact the poster in this thread. Sounds like he may change out his Emi Blues...maybe he'd sell to you. just a thought.
    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/plugging-straight-in-to-a-vibrolux-reverb-amp.961734/#post-9194027
     
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    I built that circuit and used a wgs 12”, their version of the celestion vintage 30, it sounds great and cut the weight down a bit. Go for it
     
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