1969 Neck Question

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  1. rdjones

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    Something doesn't seem right.
    A skunk stripe on a 1969 with rosewood fretboard isn't 'correct'.
    Is this some oddball factory custom or later repair modification ?
    Maybe a post-1971 neck with an added date stamp ?
     
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  2. Wally

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    Right, it wouldn't shrink on one side... or at least I wouldn't think so. My thought is maybe heat got to it and it slipped a bit. Then, someone sanded or shaved off the excess on the bass side cause the overhang was annoying perhaps? Or, it could've left the factory that way too as @capitalbear suggests. Who knows :confused:
     
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    From what I have seen, 1969 is when Fender started using the rear loading truss rod with skunk stripe on both the one-piece maple necks and the rosewood capped necks. This was when the maple capped necks were phased out.

    Here is one old thread on this:

    https://www.tdpri.com/threads/1969-rw-trussrod-plug-and-skunk-strip.199225/

    It’s also noted on this site under 1969:

    http://www.guitarhq.com/fender2.html#tele

    Kinda funny in that link that Wally posted. Looks like Fender can’t keep their own history straight, with so many changes over the years.

    I appreciate everyone’s replies so far. Something is up with this fretboard, whether it was replaced or damaged somehow, I don’t know. I don’t think it could have possibly left the factory this way.

    I will try to post some more pics tonight after work, especially from the angle Wally requested.

    Thanks everyone!
     
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  5. Boreas

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    Perhaps it was applied to a neck at the factory and that neck was damaged or defective - leaving a good fretboard. They peeled off the fretboard, stuck it on another neck and felt it was "close enough". Could be why the veneer is so thin.
     
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    So, we have conflicting sources of information. No matter….imho, this neck is not correct, and the flaw is obvious regardless of how and when it came to be as it is today.
     
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  7. capitalbear

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    You can't "peel off" a glued-on fretboard of 3 mm thickness to re-use it on another neck with any acceptable results. Never, that is.
     
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    Have you ever tried to "remove" a thin fretboard and get it off intact just to glue it on again?
     
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    Just spitballin' dude. I suspect it was slightly thicker at one point. Perhaps the glue hadn't set. Who knows? Sometimes manufacturing isn't pretty. But if a fretboard could be salvaged, I am sure Leo would try. And certainly CBS would.
     
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    Nope. But if the headstock got damaged or something before the glue had set, I would try it. They certainly had plenty of steam and tools.

    There aren't many good explanations for the defect noted. Would you have fretted a fingerboard that was obviously too small for the neck?? With those veneers, I would expect the fingerboard was glued to the neck oversized then trimmed. How it came out short on the one side and long on the heel and continued through production baffles me.
     
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    There may have been some shrinkage of the rosewood on the treble side after it was glued on. Then the layers may separate in that area. I am sure that when it left the factory it was all flush.
     
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    With nothing to go on but the current state of the neck and countless ASSumptions I'm thinking we're likely to blow enough hot air to loosen that fingerboard n' get 'er fixed.
     
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    Hi everyone,

    Sorry for the delay. Here are the pictures Wally requested.

    I hope they load up in order.

    First going down the treble side:

    Edit: Never mind, I had to delete all pictures. After they uploaded, some of them were distorted and made the frets looks curved.

    I’ll try again tomorrow.
     
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    Well, in the meantime, here is the bass side:

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    And a few other random pictures:

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    CWP0126, I appreciate the effort. I looked at them, but if you don’t mind… How about shooting from a perspective that is perpendicular to the length of the neck and 30 degrees or a bit more above the ‘horizon’…starting at the tongue and moving to the nut. A really good pic of the joint of the fretboard and neck outside of the nut would be of interest. This gives a continuity from one end to then other. Going from the nut to the tongue on the treble side gives us sections that are not as continuous as they would be moving in the opposite direction. Or… a short video could move in either direction and give us what we would see if person.
    All I can say for sureness that is the oddest Fender neck/fretboard relationship that I have ever seen…’true dead ringer for something like you ain’t never seen before’ type of thing.
     
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    You can see there is a little splitting in the board above the 12th fret. Also, in my original post I said I started feeling the lip around the 7th fret. I checked again and it really starts around the 9th fret, and gets progressively more noticeable as you move up the neck.

    The truss rod seems to work, but I haven’t been able to test it under the full pull of the strings. I got new strings coming in tomorrow and hope to get it strung up.
     
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    I don’t see a split there but rather an oversized rosewood pore. Splits will travel past frets, ime.
     
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    I doubt that. Economically it makes no sense to remove a fretboard to save it for using on another maple "base". It would be cheaper to dump it.
    But yes: who knows. It is what it is.
     
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    I am beginning to wonder if this could have been due to a refret gone bad. That veneer is very thin. Look at the tang depth into the maple at the head, middle, and heel. It varies. I wonder if when frets were pushed out sideways down by the heel, it pulled a long sliver of veneer off. Or possibly it occurred when or after the new frets were installed. This doesn't explain why the sliver wasn't re-glued, but I am also thinking it did not leave the factory this way. The overhang at the heel may have left the factory that way. Still spitballin' though.
     
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