1969 Neck Question

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  1. CWP0126

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    Hey y’all,

    I hope everyone is doing great!

    I have some questions regarding a 1969 neck with rosewood fretboard I have recently acquired.

    The neck appears to be all original to me. The rosewood fretboard runs off the maple on the treble side, and hangs a bit over on the end of the neck on that side.

    The fretboard feels smooth on the bass side.

    i can feel it starting around the 7th fret, and can really start noticing it around the 12th fret. It gets worse as you move up the fretboard.

    Has anyone here experienced this before, where the glued on veneer rosewood fretboard did not align exactly with the rest of the neck?

    What would cause this?

    Here are a few pictures of the neck. The offset is hard to see, but you can definitely feel it.

    Thanks for your opinions!
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  2. lammie200

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    The whole neck is hard to see. Where are the pics?
     
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    I see.... it’s microscopic!

    Edit: oops too late, there it is!

    Sure enough! That’s an odd one...bizarre

    The last frets don’t seem to line up with the slots..? Replacement board from the Factory? I have no clue
     
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    I would assume that the veneer would be oversized and trimmed to match the neck. But I really have no idea how these were manufactured. And who did the fret job if the fretboard was obviously imperfect? Must have been a Monday morning neck.
     
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    I have a 1966 Tele with a rosewood fretboard, and it is perfect.

    I thought the veneer on the 1966 was thin, but it is even thinner on the 1969.

    The veneer on the 1969 looks like it could have been painted on.
     
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    Shoddy QC, could be repaired at the first refret.
     
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    easy fix
     
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    And how's that? "Easy" is the last thing that come to my mind in this case, unless you suggest to sand down the maple until it's flush with the rosewood.
     
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    Maybe at some point the neck was exposed to heat (like the front window of a music shop for example?) and the glue warmed up enough to cause the board to shift slightly? Another thought I had was maybe it's experienced a little shrinkage over the years? FWIW
     
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    That’s kind of what I was thinking, that board shrunk a bit and receded from the edge. But I would think if that was the cause, then it would be uniform all along that side of the neck.

    The board was really dry too, it sucked up a lot of lemon juice when I gave it a drink.
     
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    Shrinkage won't appear on the treble side only! Heat like in a shop window won't cause that effect by any means, plus there would be an equal overlap on the bass side. I think it left the factory this way.
     
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    My first thought was shrinkage, but again - why on one side? And more importantly, why does it overhang on the heel? It would be interesting to see if you could get a good magnified image of that shelf to determine if there is any finish on the maple shelf.
     
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    I have never seen a situation like that. I would like to see shots of the entire length of the neck/fretboard join on the treble side taken from an angle say 30-45 degrees above horizontal…as in pics 5 & 7…and in sequence from the nut to the end of the board. If the bass side has a good and proper join, it is hard to understand how the treble side is not correct. I thought that perhaps the board was replaced poorly at some time, but the area at the headstock/board joint looks original and good. Odd, it is.
    I agree that the fretboard is as thin as it can be made at the end of the neck.
    Fwiw, I have an unused fretboard that just might be a fit there. It appears to be a factory replacement board as far as I can tell. Iirc, I got it at an auction for an out of business store in New Mexico many years ago. But then, if that board is orig8nal and has never been off of the neck..and if the frets are useable, some would not bother with replacing the board. As noted, the mismatch of the fret slots at the end of the board as indicated by the dark marks in the maple is odd, too. Strange, it is.
     
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    Is the fretboard loose on that side? You may also have to reglue it on that side. It could have been planed and thinned during a later refret.
     
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    If one side is flush and other side is under sized it must of come out of the factory like that as someome else has mentioned if it was shrinkage it would be on both sides right ?
    It is a strange one 1969 they were probably all stoned listening to Santana You Just Don't Care
     
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    Perhaps an over tightened trussrod had something to do with it?
    But I bet the glue seam is loose on the higher treble side.
     
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    Over the course of 50+ years maybe somebody removed the fingerboard and didn't take the appropriate steps to relocate it correctly.
     
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    I have seen thinned fretboards. I have even taken wood away in the tongue area in order to correct a kick-up in that area. However, I do not understand how a fretboard can be flush to one side of the neck and not on the other. It is odd. I definitely have never seen a neckmleave the factory in such a condition. Despite the finish at the headstock that looks correct, it may well be that this fretboard was put on this neck a long time ago. The board might have been just a bit narrow for the neck, and the person who did the work made the Bass side flush and let the treble side be what it had to be. An old touch-up finish could look as correct outside of the nut on the headstock to give that ‘stock’ look to the finish in that area????
    The improper relati9nship of those fret slots and the marks in the maple where frets once sat might support such a supposition of a new fretboard.
     
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