neils
TDPRI Member
So i got two hours of playing in today comparing the two speakers. A general result would be the P12Q is brighter, more open and louder than the Weber.
I had the P12Q in Clark/Mojo 5E3 cab. The chassis for the test is a Tweed Deluxe Speed Shop Studio Series model. Good old glass in the amp.
The Weber 12A125A was in a "Deep" Deluxe 5E3 cab made by Better Built cabs and has a Li'l Dawg chassis in it, for the test it was only used as a speaker cab. I don't think the extra inch of depth is really making this test pointless.
The Weber is broken in. The Jensen is a 1961 and from an organ. Broken in?
I used a Swamp Ash/Maple Tele I built this year. Rio Grande '50s model pickups.
So the P12Q is louder. A/Bing the two there is no question the P12Q is I'd guess (I've tried alot of speakers) 2db louder. Useful difference.
The Weber is a little darker. If I had the amp tone on 8 with the P12Q I'd move it to 10 when using the Weber. Then they were close but of course other things change when you adjust the tone knob. But you'd get the two close that way.
The Weber sounds "tighter"?, maybe a better word is conjested? Or maybe just a little thicker in some ways? There is less top end on the Weber so maybe that makes the mids seem thicker.
Or I could say the P12Q is a little more airy. There are some upper mids that really jump out on the P12Q. You just hit a certain note a certain way and WOW did that one blaze through. The Weber doesn't do that.
The Weber breaks up in a different way. The "clatter" around the notes are darker than the Jensen. At times it seemed the Jensen broke up sooner, sometimes later. Some of that is the Tone knob on a 5E3. The higher you wind it the more the amp overdrives. And I had it up higher to brighten it up to the point of the Jensen.
All in all I'd be and am happy with either. If you have a nice 12A125A you shouldn't feel you need to find a nice P12Q from 1960. In a band situation would you hear the differences. Maybe not. And the Weber is newer and no doubt more durable.
Questions?
Neil
I had the P12Q in Clark/Mojo 5E3 cab. The chassis for the test is a Tweed Deluxe Speed Shop Studio Series model. Good old glass in the amp.
The Weber 12A125A was in a "Deep" Deluxe 5E3 cab made by Better Built cabs and has a Li'l Dawg chassis in it, for the test it was only used as a speaker cab. I don't think the extra inch of depth is really making this test pointless.
The Weber is broken in. The Jensen is a 1961 and from an organ. Broken in?
I used a Swamp Ash/Maple Tele I built this year. Rio Grande '50s model pickups.
So the P12Q is louder. A/Bing the two there is no question the P12Q is I'd guess (I've tried alot of speakers) 2db louder. Useful difference.
The Weber is a little darker. If I had the amp tone on 8 with the P12Q I'd move it to 10 when using the Weber. Then they were close but of course other things change when you adjust the tone knob. But you'd get the two close that way.
The Weber sounds "tighter"?, maybe a better word is conjested? Or maybe just a little thicker in some ways? There is less top end on the Weber so maybe that makes the mids seem thicker.
Or I could say the P12Q is a little more airy. There are some upper mids that really jump out on the P12Q. You just hit a certain note a certain way and WOW did that one blaze through. The Weber doesn't do that.
The Weber breaks up in a different way. The "clatter" around the notes are darker than the Jensen. At times it seemed the Jensen broke up sooner, sometimes later. Some of that is the Tone knob on a 5E3. The higher you wind it the more the amp overdrives. And I had it up higher to brighten it up to the point of the Jensen.
All in all I'd be and am happy with either. If you have a nice 12A125A you shouldn't feel you need to find a nice P12Q from 1960. In a band situation would you hear the differences. Maybe not. And the Weber is newer and no doubt more durable.
Questions?
Neil