1959 ES-335TD proto build

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  1. MacG

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    I was going to ask if the originals had as dark brown necks as yours...

    Apparently (And off course!) they did:

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    1958 Gibson ES-335TN #A27788

    Nice...
     
  2. pdxjoel

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    Oh, WANT. I thought I was a 'burst kinda guy, but I'm re-thinking that now.
     
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    Wow, amazing work. It kinda reminds me of John lennons Epi Casino
     
  4. Nick JD

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    You vintage-correct guys crack me up! I would be using that piece as the inside ply and used some AAA stuff. I'm a sucker for this "figure" you speak of.

    Next you'll be breaking and fixing the headstock to make it truely authentic... :D Just kidding.

    When can we expect a highly figured burst 335? [​IMG]
     
  5. tangelolemon

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    I don't know, Nick, I'm kind of with the vintage guys. Maybe it's just what I've become accustomed to seeing, but mostly-plain or oddly figured tops just look "right" to me in an ES-style. It's character. Heavy figuring has almost become cliché in a way-- those oddly figured ones have personality.
     
  6. Nick JD

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    I can dig that. :D
     
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    I tend to like different things on different styles of guitars...
    I've always been a deep flame/quilt fan, but only on the PRS flavoured guitar types. For some reason I find a quilted top on a Les Paul to be simply wrong, and while I do appreciated the authentic looking tops on LPs I don't mind a highly flamed one either.
    But these big ladies look better to me with the more understated, just wavy enough, tops.
     
  8. preeb

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    +1
     
  9. drgonzo2

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    I'd differentiate things slightly further than Ken has. From guitars that I've seen "in the wood", I'd suggest the following;-

    ES-330: All plain veneers, no matter the finish. If there are figured 330's, I've never seen one.

    ES-335: Plain veneers on cherry, very lightly figured on blondes. 'Bursts, some have figuring, some not.

    ES-345: Much as 335, but figuring is more pronounced, and more likely on bursts.

    ES-355: Light figuring on all transparent finishes - about the level shown in Ken's second example.

    The above is based purely on guitars I've seen close up, not on photo's, and is based on a sampling of maybe 40 guitars. As such, I'm not excluding the possibility of highly figured 330's or plain 355's, but it makes sense for Gibson to select the more figured plates for the higher priced guitars, and the plainer plates for the lower...

    Thoughts..?

    ... G
     
  10. jonal335

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    I rarely ever saw figuring in Gibsons, even the more expensive ones L7 and L5s for example. It may just be a smaller sample here in Canada...
     
  11. BlackdogCG

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    I'm afraid that to see a lot of figuring on L5s or L7s you have to turn them around...;)

    But it is true that deep 3D figure was not often in Gibson vocabulary until recently, with the more extensive use of west-coast maple.
     
  12. tangelolemon

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    I seem to recall a couple of ES-5 switchmasters with some pretty serious flame.
     
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    If you ever want to see a bunch of flame on a Gibson, look up the Citation.
     
  14. preeb

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    As the lacquer cures I made the PAF's today.
    Double black CAB bobbins (no white in mid 58...), leaded NOS purple maroon AWG 42 plain enamel single magnet wire, Long AlNiCo 5 magnets with 30° off axis polarity.. etc... nothing but good stuff.
    Covers are lightly reliced to NOS look (not minty fresh) to match the antique warm color.
    I will not relic this proto with cracks, dings and other relic candies... just under the bed NOS look (-;

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  15. preeb

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    Here's a few shots from today. I will not get into the fine details... most of it is already in the 59 LP Standard build thread.

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  16. jonal335

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    Yes they have spruce tops - but I was thinking of the backs LOL
     
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    What's the reason for the off axis polarity?
     
  18. melomanarock

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    Tone!
     
  19. Scooby Snax

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    Mojo!
     
  20. tangelolemon

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    The answer is in the Les Paul thread, but that's a LOT of digging! Hundreds of pages.

    To my memory, Gil did experiments and found that in many cases he preferred the sound of the pickups with off-axis polarity. To my recollection, someone discovered that Gibson magnets were usually magnetized in bulk, a whole bunch at the same time, in boxes or something like that. Imagine a bunch of AlNiCo bars thrown in a box haphazardly, pointing in all different directions, and then a bulk charger magnetizing them all. Some would get magnetized a bit off-axis, if they were skewed in the box. I think it was Gil's experience that those ones sounded the best, or most like good old PAFs, or something.

    I'm sure Gil will correct me if I've got that wrong!
     
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