1950 Double Esquire Build

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  1. Moggl

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    +1 :)
     
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    this is, again, beyond cool.thanks
     
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    Gil,
    I have never seen any price for your builds how do you price your work to sell?

    You inspire!;)
     
  4. preeb

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    I do not wish to discuss commercial issues on the forum.
    Please understand (-;
    PM or email.
     
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    No problem Gil!
     
  6. exluthier

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    How do you think a neck like this would hold up to 13s? Or, more accurately a maple neck with an ebony FB but the same dimensions? Your builds are awesome btw.
     
  7. preeb

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    A solid maple neck is more flexible than Ebony boarded Maple.
    Ebony has a "memory" effect, so if it gets bent it wants to stay that way...
    This is one (there are a few more) reason why I try to avoid it.
    If the neck is big (full 1" or close to it) I believe the maple will bend a little under string tension with a 1/32" to 3/64" relief which is still OK. It will probably get back to "straight" when the strings are removed.
    Not sure how much twang you'll get from that heavy set... but that's another issue (-;
    If you only use heavy sets you can build a negative relief into the rodless neck.
     
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    Oh I'm not big on twang :) but I'd like to see what a big truss-less neck might feel and sound like, particularly with the big frets and big strings I favor.
     
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    If you use hide glue for the board-neck joint you could easily remove the board and install a truss rod in case you don't like it (-;
    But I think you will...
     
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    Sounds great, thanks!
     
  11. Strongpersuader

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    Oi Gil!

    Parabéns por mais um excelente trabalho e pelo seu conhecimento da língua portuguesa.:cool:

    I have just recently found out this thread and I must tell you I'm in awe. I could have never imagined that a rodless neck would make such a huge difference in tone. But anyway, who am I to know what a skilled luthier as you know. Amazing tone and build for sure :eek:

    Please Gil, if possibe ask Chita to record some more videos describing all of the tones this axe can make with that vintage wiring.

    Congrats once again and thanks for sharing all this wonderful info with all of us.

    PS: Whenever you come to Brazil let me know, maybe we could have some personal chat:D
     
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    Muito obrigado Strongpersuader!

    This proto is long gone to a very good home in Spain...
    but I'll ask Chita to cut another video for the next rodless Esquire.
    It is indeed a very unique instrument and it's a joy to play.
     
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    Obrigado pela resposta Gil!

    I was definitely sure that this superb instrument would not last very long in your hands.:D I wish lots of luck for the proud owner in Spain. May he enjoy it a lot!

    I will be eagerly waiting for the new videos as soon as the new Esquire gets ready and tested by Chita's magic hands.

    Abraços Gil!

    Juarez
     
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    Just finished reading through this build. Very cool, and I learn so much each time.

    How thick did the neck end up? Did you take a measurement of neck relief with the 0.011-0.052's on it?

    Thanks! I may just use a rod-less neck to get my feet wet on the guitar building thing. :cool:

    - Scott
     
  15. preeb

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    Thanks Scott
    I can't remember exactly but maybe around 0.9" or so @ 1st fret.
    Hardly any relief if at all... maybe 1/32" with the heavier strings.
    You'll need to select the right maple blank for stiffness without the need to use a QS cut.
     
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    hola gil

    I never leave my amazement
    impressive your obsession for vintage guitars

    I have questions
    scale length?
    cn can be calculated http://www.stewmac.com/ program
    or is an old type of calculation
    Dimensions of the fret?

    Congratulations, great job

    I'm going for a double squier!!
     
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    1/32" works out to about 0.031" by my math -- isn't that a lot? I usually adjust my guitars for less than 0.010".

    - Scott
     
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    Gil --- Would it be foolish to try a truss rod free neck on the first build, if I stay within .90" thickness at the first fret? (I have a well equipped shop and some woodworking experience) I would be using a rosewood fingerboard, and use .009 -.042" strings.. I guess I'd use the hot hide glue just in case. :)

    What besides the rift/treble flat/bass grain orientation do you look for in neck material. I would guess that the board should be flat to begin with - meaning not much warp, cup, or bow to remove with jointing and planing, and no knots. Anything else to be alert for?

    Thanks,

    Dan
     
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    Hi Preeb! Could you explain more, if possible of course, how do you obtain the correct radius? The mat is plain and i understood the swing (jig), but so, how do you do? Thanks a lot! :p
     
  20. dmartinez

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    Hi guys,

    A little update on this.

    Some months ago I bought this guitar which was "time-treated" and heavily played by Nacho. It sounds really great and looks terrific to my eyes. Truly a fantastic guitar in all senses.

    This is the way it looks now:

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