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Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by jumpnblues, Jul 28, 2007.

  1. jumpnblues

    jumpnblues Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    66
    Mar 16, 2003
    Midwest
    ...can't remember if this has been done here recently. Please excuse if it has. I'll take your "updated " choice anyway. Also please state your reason/s for your choice. Thank you. :cool: :cool:

    Tom
     
  2. eggman

    eggman Friend of Leo's

    Mar 18, 2003
    Bossier City,La.
    Fender Rod knob Twin, Super 112

    Howdy,

    I've heard others here on this forum liken Fender's red knob tube amps to Dumbles. Having never played a Dumble, I cannot comment on Dumbles.
    I can say that my Super 112 has the best clean tone I've ever heard, with my "The Twin" coming in second.
    One must deduce from all the "Red knob" sounds like Dumble amps that Dumbles must have a really sweet clean tone!

    Eggman
     
  3. stantheman

    stantheman Doctor of Teleocity

    Jun 10, 2003
    White Mountains
    My Twin with "clean boost" engaged on the Sparkle Drive is It.
    Something tells me if someone was ballsy enough to take apart
    "Howie's Goop Ball" they'd find the innards to be remarkably similar
    to a Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive, of course this is just speculation
    but I've found the "In-Step Tones" very simple to dial in.

    In all honesty I'd rather have a Ceriatone "braintrek digress" Clone
    than a Dumble.
    The big clean is more easily obtainable with my Twin and the SD.
    Easier on the budget too:cool:
     
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  5. KC

    KC Friend of Leo's

    Mar 16, 2003
    Missoula, Montana
    never played a red-knob fender but I have played a Dumble -- Lowell George's old one, in fact. Nice-sounding amp but I didn't have much time to play around with it. I ended up using a '65 Deluxe (non-verb) on 10 or so with a Dynacomp dumping gain into the front end and it sounded awesome, and pretty much in the same vein as the Dumble. Little bit of compression, lots of boost for a strat slide sound.
     
  6. DavidP

    DavidP Tele-Afflicted

    Mar 16, 2003
    Vancouver, BC
    Check out this...

    The D'Lite from Brown Note Amps (http://www.brownnote.net/)--he was selling it as a kit but it was a one-time run--don't know if three are any left. I'm just finishing mine! They take 6V6s, 6L6s and EL34s and are getting incredible feedback from builders. Also a great forum on this model. Now I just have to get the switching done and figure out if this chassis is destined for a head or a combo.
     
  7. ramseybella

    ramseybella Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 12, 2006
    Santa Fe New Mexico
    Any Schematics??:cool:
     
  8. ab2012

    ab2012 Tele-Meister

    394
    Jun 3, 2007
    new jersey
    fuchs has an amp called the overdrive supreme.
     
  9. tiktok

    tiktok Poster Extraordinaire

    Jan 11, 2005
    Seattle
    Personally I never heard a recording of a Dumble and thought "Good Lord, now that's an amazing amp". They always just sounded like...a nice tube amp. And for those prices I want all three of the ZZ Top Eliminator girls popping out of the road case and rubbing my shoulders between sets.

    A few years back someone took apart a Dumble, including the brick of secret goop and concluded that it was a Twin Reverb with a Tube Screamer mounted inside.
     
  10. Chris S.

    Chris S. Asst. Admin Staff Member

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    Mar 26, 2005
    Near TELE-Town (Wash. DC)
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    A friend of mine has owned several Two Rock amps with cascading gain stages that were pretty impressive. They did an admirable job of delivering that "amp on the edge of exploding" sound. :eek: Pricey, but pretty darned cool. :cool: Just FWIW, and all IMO, as always. :) CS
     
  11. marc sosnoff

    marc sosnoff Tele-Holic

    Age:
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    583
    Nov 26, 2006
    new jersey
    i havent playing a dumble but i owned a evil twin red knob
    robben ford plays dumbles and when he is on tour in europe he uses the red knob twins the evil twins channel switch and and have a real nice overdrive
    i changed the speakers to ev's and the tubes to groove tubes
    and that amp was hot and heavy tooo

    but i can tell you one thing many people say the dumbles are just a fender but on stage they do something that really makes a difference and no fender comes close

    many say that the two rocks have the dumble sound i dont think so and
    they may be awesome amps but i always see them for sale
    so i wonder

    i heard larry carlton (a dumble player ) checked out the two rocks and didnt seem to excited i heard that only

    the dumbles and the trainwrecks are highly rated and sought after
    i played a komet and i thought they were real good i didnt get to learn the amp but was impressed i think with time and the right speaker cab
    that amp could be a winner

    for me the germinos are the bomb best i have played

    my personal feeling only the is a guy that custom make a amp he calls
    dunble they are exact dumble clones he makes them in 70's or 80's or 90's versions they look exact supposed sould exact he has a website
    i havent seen it for a while try and check it out
     
  12. jumpnblues

    jumpnblues Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    66
    Mar 16, 2003
    Midwest
    For me it's not the thick distortion these amps deliver that's so impressive, it's the cleans and clean sustain that I like. Like Chris S. said, they sound like they're right on the ragged edge of self destructing. I don't want my tone buried in a lot of thick distortion. I want to maintain the natural tone of my guitar but make it sound big and I want the notes to sustain more than distort. A little, light, overdrive is OK as long as it doesn't bury my tone and make it sound generic. These amps can do that too if you're not careful because when you dial in the distortion they all start to sound alike.
    But I've noticed on the sound samples and clips of several of these amps the cleans sound huge and very crystalline. Some of the amps I'm talking about include the Brown Tone amps (D'Lite 22, 18, and Voxy 18), Carol Ann, Two Rock, Fuchs, etc. I guess I shouldn't expect anything else since they're all based on the Twin Reverb. The Brown Tone amps in particular, coming in at about $2000., seem to be a tremendous value compared to some of the others (A Two Rock Kimock will run you a paltry $9000.!!!). Anyway, it's the cleans and light OD settings/tones that kind of piques my interest in these amps. :cool: :cool:

    Tom
     
  13. Wayne Alexander

    Wayne Alexander Friend of Leo's

    There's an ampbuilder board here http://ampgarage.com/forum/index.php that has a lot of info, schematics, discussions, tweaks for Trainwreck and Dumble inspired amps and clones.
     
  14. DavidP

    DavidP Tele-Afflicted

    Mar 16, 2003
    Vancouver, BC
    Hey Ramseybella...

    if you go to the D'Lite forum at BrownNote Amps there's a stick with layouts and one of the threads has a schematic.
     
  15. jumpnblues

    jumpnblues Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    66
    Mar 16, 2003
    Midwest
    Wayne and Dave,

    Thanks for the info. I can solder p.u.s and speakers but that's about the extent of my "tech abilities". So, building my own is almost out of the question, at least until I build something simple like a 5E3. And since I just purchased a new Louis Electric amp I'm a little tapped out now. I'm just doing some research for future reference. Thanks again. :cool: :cool:

    Tom
     
  16. BluesOwl

    BluesOwl Tele-Holic

    836
    Feb 15, 2005
    MI
    Shoot Man....

    You gotta a Louis Electric?
    Thas all you need.
     
  17. psychotelepathic

    psychotelepathic Tele-Holic

    753
    Dec 6, 2005
    Minneapolis

    I've yet to hear a clip of the D'Lite that really sounds like a Dumble. As far as getting close without spending tones of dough, check out the Ceriatone Trainwreck kit, which they can build and ship to you. If you want something off the shelf, Two Rock get you in the range. I've heard some good ones.
     
  18. Pepi

    Pepi Tele-Afflicted

    Aug 8, 2004
    Indiana
    Why do I find a good Fender BF sounds close to a Dumble. Frankly, I think I like them better ;)
     
  19. reverbbb

    reverbbb Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    58
    Sep 12, 2003
    Just Plano, Texas
    As someone mentioned above, the Fuchs was recommeneded to me by an actual Dumble owner. I got to play the Dumble, but he wouldn't allow me to touch any of the controls.

    So, I contact Nik at Ceriatone Amp Kits. He said that Dumbles are complex and it takes some effort and know how to dial in the tones. He also said that he is just a few weeks of releasing a Dumble Clone kit.

    During our back & forth communication, I asked him to compare the Trainwreck Clone to a real Trainwreck. I have heard good things about the real TW. But his was just a little shy of the real deal. He said that some of the amps have the magic, and some other don't. But they all sound excellent and at a fraction of the cost of a Dumble or a TW. He concluded that he much preferred the simplicity of the TW over the Dumble.
     
  20. Pepi

    Pepi Tele-Afflicted

    Aug 8, 2004
    Indiana
    Yeah but ... TW compared to a Dumble :eek: No comparison is there :confused:
     
  21. reverbbb

    reverbbb Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    58
    Sep 12, 2003
    Just Plano, Texas
    I 'think' I know what you mean. But please elaborate.

    For sure, the TW is a more gainy amp - that's right up my alley in playing style.
     
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