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Yamaha THR10 volume control...

Discussion in 'Modeling Amps, Plugins and Apps' started by outsidetown, Aug 18, 2017.

  1. outsidetown

    outsidetown TDPRI Member

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    Hey all, I'm pretty new to guitar, amps and tone fiddling, and have a MIM tele and a THR10. It's a dream of a combination, but I'm trying to get to grips with how the amp actually works.

    I generally need to keep volume quite low, and usually I stick the Master Volume right up and use the Guitar Output dial to tame the volume. I'm wondering if this is the most effective way of doing it - should it be the other way round?

    While I'm at it, does anyone have any nice settings or presets to share? I'm really into blues but haven't got the know how to start messing with the software yet, I end up just turning everything on to maximum haha.
     
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  2. Nickadermis

    Nickadermis Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

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    I am probably completely wrong.

    But for me the Guitar output knob acts like a Master volume and the Gain and Volume are more like the volume knob..

    I usually set the Gain and Volume to get the desired distortion and use the Guitar knob to set the volume.

    You really need to twiddle all of the knobs. Especially the TMB knobs, the darn thing can sound like about any type of amp you want if you do. The one caveat is that I have to set it up very differently with different pickups to get similar sounds.

    Get comfortable turning those TMB knobs and listening to what it does !
     

  3. Cliffyg62

    Cliffyg62 Tele-Meister

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    Watch one thing i didn't understand. Each amp model acts like the real amp bring modeled. The knobs act differently on each one except the master. Try the modern one emulating a mesa at anout 8:45 , sweet tone there.
     

  4. Nickadermis

    Nickadermis Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

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    Lots of fun to be had !


    And in my post it should say Gain and master instead of Gain and Volume.
     
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  5. Milspec

    Milspec Tele-Afflicted

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    Thousands of ways to do it probably, but I also run the master up around 3 o'clock and set the volume accordingly depending on which amp simulation I am in. I don't use much bass, but go heavy on mids.

    Just play around with it...it is part of the journey.
     

  6. Brian Dress

    Brian Dress Tele-Meister

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    Yeah definitely a journey with these bad boys. Other posters are right. The master volume on the thr corresponds to the power amp section of the particular model. I think lol
     

  7. Paully

    Paully Tele-Meister

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    I've had a THR 5 since they were first released.
    You'll get the hang of it.
    Just keep on ã twiddling dem knobs. ;)
     
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  8. Mistercharlie

    Mistercharlie Tele-Holic

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    Master is the only one of the three volume knobs (I’m including gain here) that doesn’t affect the tone.

    One neat trick I use on the THR-10C is to make presets where only the speaker changes. That is, I keep the same amp and settings, but only vary the speaker (using the Mac software to edit the patches). Then, I can use buttons 1-5 to switch speakers!
     
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  9. outsidetown

    outsidetown TDPRI Member

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    Thanks all! A weekend of twanging and twiddling ahead (on guitar.)
     
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  10. Brian Dress

    Brian Dress Tele-Meister

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    Not true.

    The Master Volume totally affects the tone. It is the volume level of the amp mode. The "Guitar" level on the right is the "master volume" for the THR. You can definitely get different tones from pushing the master on the model or backing off, in combination with the gain knob
     

  11. dkmw

    dkmw Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    It sounds like you're on the right track. The gain and master (and of course the eq) get the "tone", the guitar knob just controls the output level of whatever tone you've created with the other knobs.

    The knobs also behave differently on the different models because Yamaha chose to emulate the way the controls work on the amp being emulated. For instance, on the crunch model the treble knob almost works as a gain device.

    As Cliffy said, the Mesa model with gain at 8:45 (and dimed master) is very useful. That's one of my favorite settings for getting a Keef tone with an open g tele.

    One of the functions where the THRs excel is getting the "wide open" tone of big amps at household volumes. Most of us don't get many chances to dime a Twin or big Marshall. On the THR, you can twist all the knobs to the right and get very close. I'm not saying it's the same, I've got a Twin and fully appreciate moving large amounts of air when I can; but for practice that keeps your hearing intact the THR is just about perfect.
     
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  12. outsidetown

    outsidetown TDPRI Member

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    Excellent info, thanks guys! Now, I may be being completely dim, but what do you mean when you say 8:45 for the gain dial?

    Had a bit of a play today and started to realise what it was all for. I still really love the clean channel on this amp, I've got some really nice bluesy sounds out of it! I also spent some time figuring out how the knobs on the guitar change things too.

    Forgive the very beginner questions, until now I've just been using whatever but as the ear develops so does my interest in fiddling (and no doubt, spending...)
     
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  13. dkmw

    dkmw Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    When we say 8:45 we are looking at the gain dial like it was a clock face, does that make more sense?

    On the Mesa model it's very sensitive around that spot, just a little above or below is a big difference in the amount of breakup.

    And to clarify further; when I mentioned "guitar" knob in my previous post I was speaking of the amp knob that's labeled guitar, not the volume control that is on your actual guitar.
     
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  14. outsidetown

    outsidetown TDPRI Member

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    Gotcha, that makes sense. Don't know why I didn't pick up on that.

    And yeah, realised you meant the amp's guitar knob. Thanks for being so helpful!
     
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  15. Cliffyg62

    Cliffyg62 Tele-Meister

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    So sorry I wasn't clearer on that. You'll see that clock reference a lot. Thats my preset no. 5.
     

  16. rburd2

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    Set all the knobs anywhere you want. If it sounds good, it is good.
     

  17. Mistercharlie

    Mistercharlie Tele-Holic

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    You’re dead right. I wrote that post without the amp in front of me, and got the names of the knobs mixed up.
     

  18. ahmetomer

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    Master volume and gain is all about the output.

    Guitar knob at the right end is about speakers... Doesn't effect the output for usb..

    But, If you get a nice tone with high volume in GTR knob chances are high that you will get a low volume in recording usb and when you will increase the master and it will affect tone :(

    I can send my nice tones.

    Close eric Johnson tones what not...

    It is a nice amp but not kempee
     
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  19. alathIN

    alathIN Tele-Meister

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    With my guitar and amp, I get totally different sounds by turning down the amp master volume versus turning down the guitar's volume controls. It's not necessarily right or wrong or better or worse - just what you like, and your answer will probably be different for different songs or even different parts of the same song.

    Volume and master volume on the amp have a huge effect on tone - this is probably the main way to get clean vs. drive tones. The two are not independent of each other so you have to mix and match and tweak on the fly.

    I often play with the amp volume and master volume just a bit louder and a bit more crunchy than I want, and roll the volume and tone controls up or down to fine-tune. Right now I'm playing a guitar with separate volume and tone knobs for both the bridge and neck pickups, and I really use the volume pots for "tone" simply by dialing in more or less bridge PU.

    I will probably have an adjustment period when I get my Tele done and two less knobs to play with. I'll probably be half as confused - or maybe twice as confused ;-)
     

  20. ellisvertellis

    ellisvertellis Tele-Holic

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    If you have a Fender amp model on there (I'm guessing it's the "clean" model), you can control the style of overdrive and it actually behaves a lot like a real Fender tube amp:

    - Turn up the "gain" knob and you get preamp distortion (fizzy, crispy, crunchy, …)
    - Turn up the "master" knob and you get power amp distortion (low end rumble and growl)

    Try combining those. If it's too muddy, back down on the "bass" knob until it cleans up in the bass section.

    When you got it set the way you like, experiment with the guitar's volume and tone knobs (the ones on the actual guitar :D)

    I have a THR10c, so not sure if it's the exact same "Fender" amp model. Have fun, they're good little amps!!
     

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