Would you accept a neck shim on a Custom Shop?

Discussion in 'Fender Custom Shop Tele Forum' started by Leftys, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. Leftys

    Leftys TDPRI Member

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    Bought a CS Strat and noticed when i wanted to make sure everything was good in neck pocket i noticed it was shimmed with a thin piece of cardboard cutout paper on the rear end of the neck pocket.
    Would you accept this in this pricerange on a fender?
     
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    BorderRadio Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    I wouldn't be upset, knowing that vintage Fender's had these installed stock before the micro-tilt was introduced. Well, maybe cardboard would annoy me, I use maple veneer, and sometimes make full pocket shims for angles greater than 0.5 degrees, as required on a Jazzmaster, for example.
     
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    I would be pissed if it hadn't been mentioned to me. If I'm spending thousands on a CS I want it to arrive in advertised condition and anything out of the ordinary should be mentioned.
     
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    Its a new Guitar from a CS dealer- I doubt the dealer shimmed it. I think it was factory installed.
     
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    Mike Simpson Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    On a production guitar I would not care... unacceptable on a $5000 guitar.
     
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    the shim is there to make the tilt angle perfect.

    which is what you want, right?
     
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    It would definitely take the wind out of my sails. I would certainly lodge a complaint. Let us know what they say if you do.
     
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    Not when it's new. Guitars change and someday it might need one, but off the shelf that shouldn't be there. Furthermore as borderadio mentioned... cardboard? I shimmed a lot of guitars while doing that work and never would have used cardboard.
     
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    Maybe not cardboard more like a buisiness card in thickness, its even white and just cut in a random size it seems.
     
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    I would be a little annoyed, they can go on about how they match body and neck woods to get optimal tone but they can't make a jig that makes a neck that doesn't need shimming. Maybe they need to put their attention to detail elsewhere? I've had a thought about what the problem may be, is it a 7 1/4" neck? Also I'd probably consider contacting fender.
     
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    noah330 Friend of Leo's

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    A Fender Custom Shop model is a production guitar. You think a small team of builders is cranking out all those guitars?

    They ain't what they used to be!
     
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    It wouldn't be acceptable to me for that kind of dough.
     
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    I would be a little upset if they used cardboard on a CS guitar instead of veneer.
     
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    What you describe is IME pretty much vintage correct.
    They used to shim necks at the factory during the Leo era, and if you ordered a vintage style guitar that's what you got. It's a setup method used for many decades. I've never seen a vintage original hardwood veneer shim, or vintage original full wedge shim.
    Today we spend too much time debating minutia on the internet!

    Does the guitar look play and sound great?
     
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    red57strat Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

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    It wouldn't bother me at all. They've always been built that way.
     
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    well it plays good, but im finding the strings are springy and abit too easy to bend and its abit lacking in attack, otherwise all good. great crunch in the pickups, its just got not much spank and attack especially bass strings.
     
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    It wouldn't bother me....especially since I wouldn't have even looked if the guitar was playing well and was well set up.
     
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    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Ha ha that's how I would describe Strats compared to Teles, except for the "great crunch in the pickups".
    Maybe you'd prefer weaker pickups with less crunch but more spank and attack- let the amp do more of the work.

    I even put together a hardtail Strat hoping for more of the tight solid attack on the low strings that I get from a Tele or Esquire.
     
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    And here endeth today's lesson.
     
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    To echo what others have said, the shim wouldn't bother me so long as it was a player, not a dog. Heck, I probably wouldn't even ever notice it.
     
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