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Wiring help for Neck Humbucker, Single coil Bridge , Phase options please.

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by alnico_blue, Sep 6, 2017.

  1. alnico_blue

    alnico_blue TDPRI Member

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    Hello all - first post. I'm doing my first build, it will be a Telecaster with regular tele type bridge pickup, and then a PAF style humbucker in the neck. Humbucker I have is of the 4 wire variety so I have options.

    Was originally inspired by this setup where it can be knocked in and out of phase with a push/push or push/pull:

    My questions are :

    1) Does anybody have a wiring diagram for this?
    2) Any pros and cons or limitations on using the volume vs tone for the push/push?
    3) If I get another push/push, can I also have options to split the humbucker?
    4) Any other funky suggestions?
     

  2. Teleterr

    Teleterr Friend of Leo's

    Feb 7, 2011
    Lewes De.
    Phostenix site. For Series: Using a HB and a Tele bridge order from ground to to hot is very important in how it sounds. G-HB-B-+ will sound full and thick , like a bigger HB. G-B-HB-+ will have more mids emphasis and will also sound good IME.
     

  3. Teleterr

    Teleterr Friend of Leo's

    Feb 7, 2011
    Lewes De.
    What kind of sounds are you looking for ? You have over 30 in phase main combos where the differences will be noticeable if not important. Be sure to check out HALF OUT OF PHASE. Google is the easiest way to find a thread for me vs in site search. Phostenix has a HOoP (1/2 out) video on youtube.
     

  4. jvin248

    jvin248 Poster Extraordinaire

    Apr 18, 2014
    Near Detroit, MI
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    Another option:

    If you can get wires for both humbucker bobbins out of the cable or by dissecting the pickup itself (generally easy but could be fiddly) then you will have three bobbins to mix and match so you could put a 5-way Strat-style switch in the guitar along with a Dan Armstrong Blender Mod.

    I do this mod on all my player Strats and it's great, a blender pot (Tele either add a third knob or stacked tone pot with concentric knobs) to go from stock Strat SSS to HSH by combining the pickups in series. The 2&4 positions when full HSH gives some out of phase tones, under SSS those settings work as a regular Strat (coils in parallel for quack).

    The other option is a 3-way on/on/on toggle switch for the neck humbucker to get parallel, single, humbucker from it then use the regular 3 way blade switch as normal.

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  5. Huddy

    Huddy Tele-Meister

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    What humbucker are you using? You'll need to make sure you have a separate signal ground from your earth ground.
     

  6. Huddy

    Huddy Tele-Meister

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    I just re-read. With the 4 conductor you're all good with a push/pull. I'd personally do it on the tone so not to knock your volume when pulling it. I'd spend an extra $15 and get an S1 switch and knob. Way cleaner not in the way. Same concept as a push pull pot.
     

  7. alnico_blue

    alnico_blue TDPRI Member

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    so - this is actually harder to find than I thought. Here is something close on the seymour duncan website.
    I believe this diagram splits the humbucker. If I had to modify this diagram so that I get the option to get it out of phase when in the middle position - can anybody help tell me what I would be wiring to each of the connections on the tone pote (lugs 1 - 9 )?

    Diagram taken from :https://docs.google.com/gview?embedded=true&url=https://www.seymourduncan.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Tele_1H_1S_3B_1V_1TppSPL.pdf

    WiringDiagram.jpg
     

  8. Wally

    Wally Telefied Ad Free Member

    Mar 17, 2003
    Lubbock, TX
    Alnico_blue, the makers of pickups do not all adhere to the same wiring and magnet orientation schemes. It helps o know who made the pickups....especially if they are different makes. This is important when trying to get the pickups to do what one wants with regard to phase and series versus parallel.
    That said, I would do this.....wire the bridge pickup as in a Normal Tele. I like to go from series to parallel with a push pull on that 4 wire neck pickup. One could the. Do one of two things...1)use another switch to switch the phase relationship of that neck pickup or 2)use a 4 way selector switch to achieve the series/parallel option for the pickups in operation together.
     

  9. alnico_blue

    alnico_blue TDPRI Member

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    Hi Wally, thanks for the reply.

    Yep - I understand that manufacturers all use their own wiring color schemes.
    The pickkup I'm using is Sheptone, so their north start/finish and south start finish is a little bit different from the seymour duncan diagram. Converting the color schemes is easy enough - its just finding a wiring diagram I can follow to give me what I want is proving a challenge.

    I want to stick with the configuration I was aiming for -
    3 way switch, tone (push pull to get it in/out of phase) <-- first preference
    3 way switch, volume (push pull to get it in/out of phase) <-- second preference.

    I'll do either if I can find a diagram!

    The photenix site looks great - but unfortunately all the images/diagrams are broken links now.

    This one would have been perfect:
    https://sites.google.com/site/phostenixwiringdiagrams/teles/2-pickup-teles#TeleSeriesParallelOoP
     

  10. Wally

    Wally Telefied Ad Free Member

    Mar 17, 2003
    Lubbock, TX

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