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Discussion in 'Vintage Tele Discussion Forum (pre-1974)' started by E5RSY, Aug 25, 2017.
This isn't my world, but I'm curious. What happened in 1974?
I define it as pre-'65 myself... Both fenders and gibsons went through a big drop in quality in the period from about '63 to '66...
I was alive in the seventies. I had a brand new natural finished maple neck strat with the micro tilt adjustment. It was a real piece of crap. Trowled on poly finish, and heavy enough to anchor the Titanic.
I'll go with anything after 68 or so is not vintage.
So, was '74 the first year for the 3-bolt necks? Maybe that's it.
p.s. Never mind. Tilt necks arrived in '71.
I don't know. Why isn't Nirvana classic rock?
The short answer is the rise of the machines. Take tele's for example the body shape of the seventies tele is flatter on the upper bout because fender didn't program their numerically controlled router properly. They didn't fix it until 81. Vintage to me is pre 1970. The seventies brought cost cutting, bad ideas and a lack of quality in most american brands Martin, Fender and Gibson for the most part all have flaws that were not corrected until the mid eighties.
So, no none knows why this forum specifies pre-1974???
I can't answer the question but I will say I consider early 80s G&Ls vintage Fender as well...the man was still alive and creating original designs.
Yeah maybe MusicMan too, but G&L was truer to his vision, with his partner George Fullerton of course.
Gonna keep hangin on and my 80s guitar will be vintage soon.
In the antique vehicle world, the classifications creep with time.
35 years is "antique" for a motorcycle.
Hard for me to imagine a 1982 vehicle being antique!
When I bought my '64 FLH, it was still 7 years away from being antique....
I think the Sting Ray bass was pure Leo.
Marshall went PCB and Strats lost their stagger.
Greenback speakers got kapton VCs.
The poly got thicker, the necks got crappier, a second string tree was added the year before.
Likewise the Tele body got that portly detail the year before.
I think cars took a dive along with guitars round that year, like the Chevelle might have gotten that hatchback in '74. Super Beetle appeared? The Mustang became the much maligned Mustang II the year before. Seeing a pattern?
Maybe Disco arrived?
The Vietnam war ended.
Fender amps got the glued in baffle the year before, lots of stuff happened and somebody had to pick a year.
I go one year earlier, pre '73. Strats and Teles, Marshall and fender amps were IMO every bit as good in '72 as any other year, if possibly lacking a little mojo.
IMO Leos G&L work was great enough to kick Fender off the top, but of course marketing had somewhat different plans.
Music Man basses were pretty great, but old MM guitars don't grab me.
Not all Leo era G&L did, but there was great stuff from his shop then.
I have an early Leo bass, and have an early set of his MFD(?) Tele style pickups, which are IMO the only "better" Tele pickup.
They seldom come up used i guess because nobody takes them out.
1974? That seems arbitrary. I consider from about '84 and older to be vintage now. I've got an '81 UL Bassman head. I've told many people it's vintage and I've never heard anyone say "no, it isn't". It is pre-Rivera era design, so I think my vintage designation holds water.
For me the vintage threshold is always moving, somewhere around 35 years ago. If the prices are going up solely because of the age, as most well-made things from the '80s now are, it's becoming vintage.
When I was coming up (the 70's) the real break was - as has been mentioned - the sale to CBS. So 1965, with 1966 being just fine.
Of course, back then you couldn't give away Jazzmasters and Jaguars... people didn't look dated playing strats... nobody would touch a mustang (my first electric: a 1965 Mustang. I bought it for $35 in 1974 and sold it six months later for $50. I felt pretty pleased with the deal: it sounded terrible through my Standell Super Imperial and it wasn't what Jimi played.))
The designation "antique" is definitely movable, but when I see someone trying to get big money for a mid-70s log I just laugh.
Yeah antique, as @charlie chitlin pointed out, is specific to age, where the term vintage generally denotes a particular year, rather than a certain number of years in the past.
So for music gear it would be when stuff was great, then when stuff was still good, then when stuff was different from todays stuff.
My first real guitar was a '82 G&L SC-1, and I wore it out. Had a MFD in the bridge, but it was a factory custom job with a two-point trem and a Strat-style pickup in the neck. I guess I have a real soft spot for SCs because of it. Probably not the style for everyone, but a Leo classic to me..