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Why everybody so afraid of volume !!?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by bftfender, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. notmyusualuserid

    notmyusualuserid Friend of Leo's

    May 3, 2016
    In the South
    You're 26. Get back to us in 30 years.
     
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  2. blowtorch

    blowtorch Telefied Ad Free Member

    May 2, 2003
    Wisco
    That's it, you've got the right idea there!
     
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  3. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

    Apr 17, 2008
    Port Moody, BC
    I had a Korg tuner 40 years ago.
     
  4. blowtorch

    blowtorch Telefied Ad Free Member

    May 2, 2003
    Wisco
    The first strobe tuner dates back to 1936
     
  5. Whatizitman

    Whatizitman Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 18, 2018
    WV
    It's still a lot closer than I get on my own, generally. That's all I'm saying. In any case, if you're using other strings as a reference, they have to be close enough in tune themselves. I have good enough ears to hear discrepancies. But I can rarely get it what I would consider "dead on" without a tuner. I may be able to get a reference E started in my head (maybe think of Driver 8 or Back in Black in my head). But my G and/or B will be off no matter how much time I spend on it. I make adjustments by ear when I'm goofing around or jamming. But I will tune all strings with a tuner when it's performance time.

    Yeah, sorry, OP, for the derail. I'll shut up now.
     
  6. Blrfl

    Blrfl Tele-Meister

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    May 3, 2018
    Northern Virginia
    More volume doesn't make a bad performance better, but one that really cooks will still cook at any volume.
     
  7. Owenmoney

    Owenmoney Tele-Holic

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    Oley Pa
    We live about a mile from the high schoo and we can hear the marching band and they aren’t even amplified instruments are loud, guitars got amplified to compete with the louder acoustic instruments like horns, drums, wind instruments etc . Then venues got larger and larger so bands had to get louder and louder. Then proper PA systems came in vogue and things got better but it’s still comes down to what you hear on the radio, tv, dvds etc can still be turned down to a low volume level but real live music is loud. Whether it’s a rock band or symphony orchestra or a high school or college marching band it’s loud, life gets loud sometimes, but life goes on, war is loud but no one says stop the war it’s getting so loud we can’t talk over it !
     
  8. Musekatcher

    Musekatcher Tele-Afflicted

    Tuning forks are over 200 years old. And folks knew how to tune an instrument before that, without frets btw. How they did that, is how we should still tune and play our instruments, with harmony, and sonically pleasant music definition being timelessly the same physical universal sensation regardless of era or instrument.
     
  9. kookaburra

    kookaburra Tele-Afflicted

    Nov 11, 2012
    Phoenix, AZ, USA
    I meant the canned music the bar plays. Can't do much about that other than turn down the gig. I have yet to be offered a gig at the Musical Instrument Museum here in Phoenix! :)

    Actually, FWIW, I lost my cheapo tuners in the move back here. Just using the reference tone these days on my Micro Cube.
     
  10. kookaburra

    kookaburra Tele-Afflicted

    Nov 11, 2012
    Phoenix, AZ, USA
    Developed for the Germany's armoured musical weapon division, orgepanzerte Musikwaffe. Part of how they got around the treaty of Versailles.

    I'll let myself out now.
     
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  11. blowtorch

    blowtorch Telefied Ad Free Member

    May 2, 2003
    Wisco
    The first strobe tuner was originally made by the Conn company; it was called the Stroboconn. If you want to talk musical weapons, the bagpipe is an instrument of war :cool:
     
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  12. maxvintage

    maxvintage Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

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    Mar 16, 2003
    Arlington, VA

    That's an attitude. I mean, lots of people make that kind of claim, and it's glorified in the media a lot.

    I like my life at my age. I'm still doing all sorts of new stuff, still working at a job I love, and life is still interesting. If I couldn't hear, life would be much less interesting. I've already got substantial age-normative hearing loss, it will only get worse, so I'll keep learning new instruments and styles while I can. Everything has a cost-benefit curve
     
  13. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Telefied Ad Free Member

    Volume? Come at me, bro!

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  14. Greggorios

    Greggorios Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

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    Jun 18, 2016
    Patterson, NY
    Good analogy and so true.
     
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  15. memiller

    memiller Tele-Meister

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    That one's s
    Nobody had tuners in 1989? Huh?

    And seriously, cram it with the "proper" way to tune BS. The "proper" way to tune is only "proper" because it's old. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's better and in fact it's far WORSE. Good luck intonating a guitar by ear and having it check out against the other instruments in the band. Hope you don't play near the nut much.

    I swear guitarists are the biggest Luddites in the world.
     
  16. studio1087

    studio1087 Telefied Silver Supporter

    May 10, 2003
    Near Milwaukee
  17. fendertx

    fendertx Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

    Nov 12, 2008
    Houston
    In reading this thread, I think this might be the first time a guitar duel was suggested to end the debate.
    I've only been around 10 years but it's a first for me.
    I know that is how Jack Butler and Eugene Martone settled things in Crossroads, by cuttin heads:eek:
    I say we get Youtube out here to film it, let's do this.
     
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  18. JustABluesGuy

    JustABluesGuy Friend of Leo's

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    Sep 2, 2016
    Houston, TX
    Yes, but you get an endorphin rush from the pain, much like when music is so loud that it is permanently damaging your hearing.

    Your sense of taste will come back though.
     
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  19. Whatizitman

    Whatizitman Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 18, 2018
    WV
    Dude, I can only suggest that you take to heart what several older posters with tinnitus are saying.

    There is no "cure" for tinnitus, and it is a living hell for many who deal with it. Not worth it just to prove how manly one is, or whatever.
     
  20. memiller

    memiller Tele-Meister

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    Forum rules restrict me from expressing my exact opinion on this, which involves several words unfit for mixed company and a comparison to an amusingly shape tropical fruit.

    Instead I'll say this... your entire supposition is wrong.

    Why the frick "should" we use old and outdated methods of tuning that sucked then and suck harder now? Because it's old? Because that's what classical musicians play and OH MAN we can't be seen doing something different from them? To quote the prophet GOB: "COME ON!"

    Strict adherence to the past is a disease that rots the brain faster than anything else.
     
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