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Why everybody so afraid of volume !!?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by bftfender, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. WetBandit

    WetBandit Friend of Leo's

    Oct 11, 2016
    Somewhere
    I understand what you are saying... it's like imagining SRV playing at low volume...

    The impact and intensity, tone/feel of the performance is completely compromised.

    Imagine a guitarist making a "stink face" during a smokin solo at low volume.... well it certainly isn't smoking and the face just looks pretentious and phony...

    I get it man...

    Imagine (he who must not be named) without a wall of high powered fender amps.... it would have not only sucked, it would have flat out not worked!
     
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  2. Keefsdad

    Keefsdad Tele-Meister

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    In the clubs here you can't play loud anymore, at least the ones I play. i really don't miss it. I find the louder it gets the less I can hear everything. It just turns into mush when it's too loud. And I don't have to carry a heavy amp;)
     
  3. Paul Jenkin

    Paul Jenkin Friend of Leo's

    Aug 17, 2017
    Essex, UK
    My wife has ears like a bat (not physically, of course, but in terms of sensitivity). I, on the other hand, played drums in a band years ago and have been to hundreds of gigs where the dB level has probably been well beyond the level where damage is likely. I know my hearing is definitely not as good as it was. At levels that my wife regards as perfectly loud enough, I can barely register some frequencies. Where I'm comfortable with the volume, she's seeking out her ear plugs.

    However, we have attended gigs where we have both found the volume uncomfortable / unbearable and left. I've never been to one where I've felt the need to wish it were louder.

    I suspect that the dB levels quoted earlier in this thread are on the money, in terms of the levels at which damage will occur for everyone. However, the ability to tolerate / become accustomed to potentially dangerous levels (or feel uncomfortable well before those levels are reached) is individual.
     
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  4. notmyusualuserid

    notmyusualuserid Friend of Leo's

    May 3, 2016
    In the South
    How old are you, son? I SAID HOW OLD ARE YOU? EH? SPEAK UP!

    ;)
     
  5. drmmrr55

    drmmrr55 Tele-Meister

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    There are a few of us around here who aren't as much into a lifetime of ringing in the ears as others. I went to my first real rock show in 1970, and saw Chicago, who played ridiculously loud, and I was right at the front of the stage. Plus I worked in Boeing's machine shop without hearing protection for several years, and now I'm paying the price.

    I've had this ringing in my ears for going on my 49th year, there is no cure for it, and it's not very pleasant! I wear ear plugs when I play now, but my hearing is already shot, I'm just trying to avoid going deaf now.... (I was young, and stupid!) The loud concerts were fun back then, but not worth the permanent hearing damage that never goes away!
     
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  6. 3-Chord-Genius

    3-Chord-Genius Friend of Leo's

    Apr 3, 2015
    Winchester, VA
    There IS a level of volume below which people, musicians and those watching, are just not going to "get into it". For me it has to be loud enough to feel... and obviously digital drums are out of the question.
     
  7. mad dog

    mad dog Friend of Leo's

    Jun 27, 2005
    Montclair, NJ
    Apart from hearing loss and the functional side of this, something else is going on. I've repeatedly seen variations of this scenario: You set up for a gig in a small place. Start in and immediately get chided on volume. Which is not that loud to begin with. Then get yelled at again. If you can stay up there til enough people get drunk enough, suddenly the disapproval stops. If not, you get shut down early. And then the house music comes on, much, much louder than you were.

    There is some kind of expectation or psychology at work. People seem to tolerate higher volumes (or notice less) when they are not specifically being asked to pay attention, which is the assumption with a live band. My guess is that's what drives club owners to be unreasonable with volume from live acts, but not with recorded music.
     
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  8. imwjl

    imwjl Poster Extraordinaire

    Mar 21, 2007
    My mom's basement.
    When I was young there was no sunblock, less job safety, and I was so close to the stage at a Kiss concert I got dripped on. At another show so close Jerry Garcia winked at my girlfriend. Special guest seating for the Stones at Candlestick in 1981. Teen years though age 29 was lots of industrial noise, chemical exposure, and years spent in old loud trucks. What happened from a lack of safety in a different era?
    1. Malignant skin cancer.
    2. Hearing loss.
    3. Tinnitus.
    It's no fun. I know what I'd do if I reliving your life was an option and I know what to do for the rest of it. I'm thankful for all sorts of changes that add to quality and quantity of life.
     
  9. Nickadermis

    Nickadermis Friend of Leo's

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    Hmmmmmm..........don’t show up to a Chiefs game :rolleyes:
     
  10. alnico357

    alnico357 Tele-Meister

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    Arkansas
    There is a local band here that likes volume. The rhythm player has a full Marshall stack. They run their guitars through the monitors right into their faces. They refused to turn down after repeated requests from the people who formerly hired them. They are loud, proud, and jobless.

    I saw Jimi in Memphis around 1970. A roadie crouched in front of a PA speaker the whole concert. The aural version of staring into the sun.
     
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  11. Whatizitman

    Whatizitman Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 18, 2018
    WV
    If it's loud enough for my eardrums to compress, then I'm missing a lot of what I want to be hearing. Loud does not necessarily mean better. I've never understood that. I get something being loud enough to "wake you up", as it were. But ear splitting levels are simply not enjoyable for me. Not at all, and never have been.

    I will admit that I had phobic reactions to loud noises as a child, and my son did, too. That might hint at some sensory integration issues. So yeah I can't really speak for others.
     
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  12. bsman

    bsman Tele-Afflicted

    Jun 8, 2003
    Santa Clara
    The OP is a relative n00b, and I'm willing to bet also <30. Once you get to be twice that, come back and tell us how all that NOIZZZZEEEEE has improved your quality of life.
     
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  13. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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    What?!
    Speak up I can't hear!
     
  14. KC

    KC Friend of Leo's

    Mar 16, 2003
    Missoula, Montana
    As we used to say in the bidness, if it's too loud, you're too old.

    And I'm definitely too old. 80% of the times I play out, it's with a 15-20 watt amp. The other 20% it's outdoors or big rooms where I can turn the Bad Cat up and not hurt anybody. (AC30-type amp, a very loud 30 watts.) I try to keep it down till solo time & then just loud enough to be heard clearly. Then again, I'm not playing rock music.

    Have I played gigs where the roar of the crowd talking to themselves was louder than the band? Yes I have. But we played it & got invited back.
     
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  15. rze99

    rze99 Poster Extraordinaire

    Feb 26, 2014
    South London UK
    I've been surprised at the high volume at some Cinemas recently especially action movies. I went to see Dunkirk and it was painfully loud at times. That's really crept up over the years.
     
  16. alnico357

    alnico357 Tele-Meister

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    Arkansas
    I gig with a 22 watt DRRI un-mic'ed except at outdoor gigs.
     
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  17. blowtorch

    blowtorch Telefied Ad Free Member

    May 2, 2003
    Wisco
  18. Whatizitman

    Whatizitman Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 18, 2018
    WV
    Yes, I've noticed that, too. And all the digitally enhanced bass frequencies for "explosions" and whatnot get old real quick for me.
     
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  19. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Mar 17, 2003
    Spring City, Pa
    You're not so much a musician and a beer and alcohol salesman.
    If the bartender can't easily hear the orders, you're too loud.
     
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