Why aren't there any brownface reissues? (Is it because of Hip Hop? ;-))) )

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  1. Telephonist

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    Hi,

    Can you tell me why you can't buy any brown face amps from fender? There are so many tweeds and black faces, but no brown faces...

    Do they sound worse than the others, or are they neither fish nor follow? Or are they just too similar to one of the others? Why is there so much love for the tweed models and black face models, but not for the brown faces?

    Daniel
     
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    some records you probably like were used on brown faces. zz top, dire straits


    they sound great, cleans are high and bell like, punchy, while the overdriven sound is great. Pretty tight sounding.
     
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    Not a economical option for Fender maybe. I know a lot of really good amp builders make H/W Brownface amps on order that would prob. be only about 30% more expensive than a reasonable quality mass produced item by Fender. By the time they set up & everyone gets their piece of the pie for a not so sought over item, I imagine it's just not that profitable at this stage to consider?
     
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    Vibroverb Reissue was available - is it still?

    Tweeds are tweeds and enough people use them from country era on. And iconic players continued to use Deluxes, Bassmans and Supers or Twins.

    Browns in a lot of cases are fixed biasTweeds with brown tolex - most people wouldn't pick a brown Deluxe over a Tweed, likely. BF are the reverb/trem amps there at the birth of rock and pop.

    Browns are probably a bit too similar to both. 50s reissue Fender Tele/Strats probably outsell 60s 2:1.

    I'd say a genuine Brown Princeton would get a niche following but a lot of people would turn up their nose at a non-verb amp.
     
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    Can you tell me the differences from a technical point of view ( so that I understand it as a non-pro)?

    Are the browns more like a tweed or more like a black sound wise?
     
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    Vibroverb Reissue hasn’t been offered by Fender since 1994, when it was changed to the Custom Vibrolux Reverb

    There is a Brown Princeton offered currently, the Chris Stapleton 6G2, though it’s modded from the original with a 12” speaker.

    Search old threads, OP, and you’ll find a lot of love for the brown amps around here. I’m surprised Fender hasn’t reissued the 6G3 Deluxe given the cult following it has garnered over the years.
     
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    my friend, I posted a good demo of two vintage brown face fender amps right above you.
     
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    Isn’t the Chris Stapleton Princeton w/tremolo and no reverb a brown face reissue?
     
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    The Blondes and Browns are like a halfway house between Tweeds and Silverfaces.

    They tended - but weren't always - to be fixed bias instead of cathode bias amps with with some optimised preamp values gave a little more and smoother power without some of the rasp and fart of the Tweeds.

    Some amps like the 5F1 Champ went unchanged into BF before the later tone control Champ and Vibrochamp were released.

    Blackfaces are a little smoother again in the preamp - they tend to overdrive more from the power amp whereas some of the Browns have a somewhat Marshall quality to the preamp that generates some lovely harmonics.

    Yes, I'd forgotten about the Brown Princeton reissue.

    The real Vibroverb also had the arguably superior bias-wiggle tremolo not using the opto-activator like the BF/SF amps. Ditto the brown Princeton
     
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    Yes, you did, but it's hard to tell from a video, if you don't have the possibility to get an a/b comparison...
     
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    The speaker in that AMAZING sounding Princeton is the Weber "greenback" Legacy 10. So that matters. But what a fantastic sound!!!
     
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    Its going to seem shallow, but some folks don't dig the color. And, it sounds like there are clones with the same circuit, just not clothed in brown tolex.
     
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    I much prefer the brown to the black, or even the blonde.

    Brown or tweed I love, blonde is ok, never been a fan of the black w/silver cloth. And silverfaces especially dislike.

    I was actually going to buy a PR Brownie specifically FOR the tolex.... then change the mids resistor, the speaker, add a filter cap...lol.... all because I wanted the brown tolex.
     
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    Amps are being home built by hand better & better spec'd these days or by builders. Simple circuits that you can tweak to your own playing needs vs having generic reissues with cheap parts.
     
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    I’m no expert, but it looks to me like Fender didn’t exactly cut corners with the Stapleton Princeton.
     
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    Groupthink.

    Q: Why do people buy a particular amp?

    A: Because someone said so.

    Either that or Reverb...
     
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    ran into a guy who has been building for awhile, don't think have over $ 800-900 in any of em.Opened up being able to pick & choose any amp one wants for cheap. Its just an option that is available, that has made owning an expensive amp from the past easily obtainable. Also, want to change a value here & there , open it up & do it. Crazy in a/bing against Vintage amps how darn good stuff is being made these days & in some ways better.
     
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    There's probably not a big enough market for them, especially when you consider that the Blackface cosmetic is what 90% of people think of when you talk about a Fender amp.

    And I think that sonically they aren't different enough from an AB763 circuit for most people to notice. It's just not cost effective for Fender to produce in mass quantities like the DRRI or the PRRI.
     
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    well, they make silverface, which don't sound as good.
     
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    Probably just because no reverb. Many buyers want reverb. Other than that they would cost less to make than BF RI.
     
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