Why are tube amp people so adamant. Solid state has much to offer.

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  1. chris m.

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    Marr goes for lots and lots of effects. For a guy like that a GT100 is quite workable. I still dig his whole ouevre though.

    A GT100 used properly can provide standard effects like chorus, phase, flange, delay, autowah, reverb quite decently with the ability to make presets, which allows him to get his sounds he got from traditional pedals without having to tapdance as much.

    But at the end of the day a GT100 going into a great tube amp is going to sound better than it going into a lower quality amp, tube or not.
     
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    The PHASØR on those old Music Man amps was great. I don't know what those guys were smoking to think an amp needed a built-in-phaser, but it's cool to be able to kick that thing in while you're playing dirty and make your amp sound like a low-flying B52. I don't know the exact history of Music Man, but I always thought of them in the Ultralinear Fender camp- crazy loud and a little cleaner/brighter than I wanted. Funny that they got that sound with EL34s.
     
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    It's more complicated, since it had some sort of stereo action going on, like maybe dry on one of the speakers, plus also a vibrato.
     
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    This is what most of us tube lovers feel, there’s just something extra in a tube amp. It’s not necessarily a SOUND thing, solid state can sound really good and your audience probably doesn’t care, but and it’s a big but, bigger than Berthas Butt, it feels different as a player. It just does.
    I’m sure you can’t hear the difference with a Kemper, but I don’t know whether you can feel a difference. If I had the money I’d probably buy a Kemper and spend time getting to know it. I have a Pod XT live, floor unit, it’s fourteen years old ,some of the factory settings like the Eruption and Brian May Queen setting are really great through a tube amp. They also sound good through headphones, not sure what they sound like through a solid state amp.
    But I think the fact I run it into a tube amp still allows it to FEEL like it’s a tube amp.
    Any time we use a pedal we are using something other than tubes, but run that pedal into a tube amp and the perceived sterility of solid state goes away. That’s the power of tubes. They can take a solid state device to modify their sound and still come out sounding and FEELING like a tube amp.


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    Nothing you say here is false. I’m just out here discouraging absolutism, it’s who I be.
     
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    Loading up & off to studio land..today's choice. Marshall Vintage Modern 2266 into 425a g12c//Gibson Firebird 496/500, G minor, rock..song called, Away...kt66 tubes VM (2).jpg
     
  7. Owenmoney

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    Exactly, if you want pristine cleans, so solid state for sure. If you want warm, round, cleans to slightly hairy or full blown overdriven sounds go tube !


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    I love my tube Princeton Blackface BUT am about to buy a Boss Katana for all the features it has.
    The Katana also has a 12" speaker.
     
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  9. jondanger

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    Double post
     
  10. Owenmoney

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    So solid state is perfect for you, you aren’t the target of any of this discussion.


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    :lol::lol::lol:

    And Johnny Ramone's tubes caused exploding white mice!

     
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    That Evelyn Togar was a real meanie!
     
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    Yes, I've had both types of JCM800's, one in a 50W combo and the other was a 100W half-stack (I pulled the two outer power tubes and ran it at 50W). Loved them both. I didn't hear any "dark ages of tone" going on. The head did not deliver as much overdrive as the combo, so I had to hit it with a pedal. Buy they both sounded great.
     
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    Yeah and boogies manuals explain their amps really well, they just don’t do the Fender magic 6 thing or all EQ at noon with a little reverb thing. But being willing and able to read the manual takes the confusion out of tweaking a boogie ! As I’m sure you know, but too many of us Americans refuse to read a manual !


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    Yeah I don’t know whether this or the should I marry thread is more fun,


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    I think, after 26 pages of this, I can boil it down to this.

    Tube amps contain something these other amp options lack: huevos.
     
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  17. Owenmoney

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    Yeah , that sums it up !


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    True- I forgot the JC120 feeds the chorus to one speaker, and dry signal to the other to create a stereo-ish effect.
     
  19. beyer160

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    So, once you threw clipping diodes in front of the one that didn't have clipping diodes, it sounded the same as the one with clipping diodes?
     
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    Good.
    Lord.
    Almighty...
    This thread is still going?

    There’s good and bad amps of all types—tube, solid state, digital, hybrid, whatever...
    What works for Player A might not work for Player B.
    Find what works for you and go out and play.
     
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