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Which bender advice (B vs G for me)

Discussion in 'B-Bender Forum' started by devonteran, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. devonteran

    devonteran TDPRI Member

    Age:
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    Aug 27, 2009
    kansas city
    I'm a tele and pedal steel player. I want to get a bender installed in my tele. I've used a hipshot B&G, but I find that it gets in the way of my right hand technique for some styles.

    The question:
    I find myself naturally doing mostly G string bends when I play without a bender. If that's the case for my usual style, is it better to go G or B? I feel like G may be the ticket, but maybe a B bender would open up more for me since I don't find myself doing as often with just my left hand technique. Part of why I do more G bends is that for the band I play in currently they are just a more girthy, full bend.

    Any advice from those who've installed benders? It's just hard to know before cutting up my tele.

    Right now I'm mostly looking at Matney. He seems to have good reviews and is very affordable compared to other benders, but he only does one bender, so I'd have to make a choice.
     

  2. RollingBender

    RollingBender Tele-Holic Vendor Member

    701
    May 14, 2011
    SW Minnesota
    I think you may have answered your own question. Many of the typical G bends can be done with your fretting hand...most of the typical B bends cannot.
     

  3. jmiles

    jmiles Friend of Leo's

    Nov 29, 2003
    ohio
    I am also a pedal steeler. If I could have only one bender, it would be G. You can play anything a B bender does, just in a different position. Plus you can do a ton of things you can't do with a B bender. And you can get the root on top. More realistic steel moves if you like to do that. I angle my G lever up at about 45 degrees, and play it with my right wrist. Doesn't interfere wi my right hand at all. Can still palm block, etc.. I'm strictly a finger picker, and rest my wrist or forearm very gently on the lever.
     
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  4. RoscoeElegante

    RoscoeElegante Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 19, 2015
    TooFarFromCanada
    Ah, the classic forum situation: sensible, contradictory advice!

    I've got a funkified Tele w/ both a G Hipshot and a B Parsons-style (strapknob activated) Hipshot built-in.

    If I had to choose one, I'd go with the B-bender as the more "essential" one. But, again, that's a tough call--one that only personal preference(s) and habit(s) could determine. So--classic useless conclusion warning!--playing both kinds for a while is the only way to answer this. See what you like, being open to surprising yourself. It sure is fun to explore.
     

  5. RollingBender

    RollingBender Tele-Holic Vendor Member

    701
    May 14, 2011
    SW Minnesota
    From the standpoint of a PSG player also playing guitar, I'd also add more weight too jmiles suggestion than my own.
     

  6. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Telefied Ad Free Member

    Age:
    60
    Nov 15, 2009
    Austin, Tx
    Joining the B bender chorus.
     

  7. Silverface

    Silverface Poster Extraordinaire Platinum Supporter

    Age:
    65
    Mar 2, 2003
    Lawndale CA
    Having played a B bender since the 70's and also double benders - I disagree with the above statement. There are many B string bends that are often played inside chord moving positions that simply do not translate well to the different relationships between the strings. Many also sound "dead" the the D string is used in place of the G.

    Yes, you can physically play B string bends on the string - but they just do not sound right and IMO you'll find a strap-activated B-bender a far more useful mechanical device.
     

  8. Pineears

    Pineears Tele-Holic

    539
    Jun 25, 2016
    Texas
    I've had a Rolling G Bender on and off in addition to a strap pull B Bender. The G will stay off, just not the sound I like, and I didn't find any position advantage. You can play anything a G Bender does, just in a different position.
     

  9. J. Hayes

    J. Hayes Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    77
    May 18, 2005
    Virginia Beach, Va.
    I have quite a few bender guitars which are mostly double benders, both B and G and I'd definitely recommend the B over the G any day. I have 11 guitars with Bigsby Palm Pedals, a P/W Tele, two Strats with McEwan B Benders, and one Strat with a Hipshot B Bender. All of the guitars with the Strap type B Benders also have a Rolling bender for the G string... I play out three nights a week as the only lead in the band and with the variety of tunes we do I find the B bender is the most used of the two.. If I could only have one bender it'd have to be the B...........JH in Va..... 100_2180.JPG
     

  10. asatfan

    asatfan Tele-Afflicted

    B for me....but I've never had a G bender. B just seems more natural, if that makes any sense at all....
     

  11. jmiles

    jmiles Friend of Leo's

    Nov 29, 2003
    ohio
    "You can play anything a G Bender does, just in a different position."

    I disagree. You have more "inside" options with the G. You can get the root on top too. Very steel-like if you like that.
    12
    12
    11-bend up to 13.
    Stuff like that. I use the G inside in many moving chordal passages. I can play the complete steel intro to The Byrds version of "You're Still On My Mind" with the G bender. but not with the B bender. I will use the benders and then finger bend the string for one more half-step.
     

  12. Kingpin

    Kingpin Friend of Leo's

    Mar 16, 2003
    Here
    I find the B bender far more useful, moving that middle voice without disturbing the top and bottom of the triad.

    Most G bends can be accomplished manually without interfering with the top two strings.
     

  13. jmiles

    jmiles Friend of Leo's

    Nov 29, 2003
    ohio
    "Most G bends can be accomplished manually without interfering with the top two strings."
    But you can't do a lot of "inside" bends. I have a friend who is a Nashville studio cat. The first time I played I played mt G and B benders for him, he said, "I can do that with just bending with my fingers. I played some stuff for him with inside bends, and asked him, "Can you do that?" His answer was, "Well,,, no, I can't do that!" Ha!
     

  14. Rick Towne

    Rick Towne Tele-Afflicted

    Mar 16, 2003
    Woodland Hills, CA

    I play a Glaser double bender (G lanyard attached about 25% of the time), and do a lot of Jerry Donahue bends as well. Jim is right; you can do half or whole step manual bends on the G while mechanically bending the B for those inside bends on 2, 3 or 4 note chords. I can also do half-step mechanical bends on the B very easily.

    In addition, with the exception of Jimmy Olander, whose style incorporates the Glaser double most comprehensively, all of the bender 'canon' from White, Warford, Leadon, Perkins, Stuart, Albert Lee, et al, is on the B.
     

  15. J. Hayes

    J. Hayes Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    77
    May 18, 2005
    Virginia Beach, Va.
    And the great studio ace Brent Mason chose to have a Glaser B-bender installed in his Telecaster......JH in Va.
     

  16. McGlamRock

    McGlamRock Friend of Leo's

    Disclaimer: I don't own a bender...

    But I have played a lot of country guitar and own a lot of books on country guitar playing. One move they all (or a lot of them) suggest is bending the 9th on the g string up a full step (to the 3rd), while anchoring with the root on the 4th string (or the 5th, or both). I've tabbed an example below:

    e-----------------------
    B-----------------------
    G-----2-b-(4)-----------
    D---5--------------------
    A---5--------------------
    E------------------------

    The "Brent Mason uses one" argument is a strong one, that I really cannot argue against, except ...

    doesn't Brad Paisley generally use a G Bender? ;)
     

  17. Kingpin

    Kingpin Friend of Leo's

    Mar 16, 2003
    Here
    When I think of Brad Paisley, his bender work isn't what comes to mind. Not a knock, I think he's an outstanding guitarist, it's just that the bender is more of an occasional thing for him. The other guys that Rick mentioned are synonymous with with bender-style guitar playing.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2017

  18. cboutilier

    cboutilier Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    26
    Oct 28, 2015
    Halifax, NS, Canada
    There's a ton of bender licks in BP's solos, but they're usually at a much faster pace to appreciate the steel sound of them. I really like the slow bend he goes on the 9 G, with the 9-8-7 walk down on the A, near the end of Mud on the Tires.
     

  19. Mur

    Mur Tele-Afflicted

    Jun 30, 2004
    USA
    Clarence evolved it to having the strap raise the B and fingers bending the G.
     

  20. Silverface

    Silverface Poster Extraordinaire Platinum Supporter

    Age:
    65
    Mar 2, 2003
    Lawndale CA
    That's what is sometimes called the "on-off switch" style more commonly (but not exclusively) found among Nashville "speed oriented" players (often played to emulated pedal steel licks), as opposed to what is sometimes described as "west coast" style - not always slow, but many bends played on odd or off-beats; some played as longer/slower "drifting" transitions, many hybrid picked in moving chord positions - and almost none - despite advertising - emulating pedal steel sounds (in fact usually avoiding those sounds as much as possible).
     

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