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What Is The Most Preferred and Why?? Bridge saddles......

Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by daza152, Jan 12, 2019 at 1:15 PM.

  1. daza152

    daza152 Tele-Meister

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    Hey guys I recently acquired that stunning Crimson Translucent Am Std Tele, and just interested in what I seen and heard about my Fender stamped bridge saddles, even though these are the original saddles some say and use the other kind of 6-saddles like in these photos below... Your opinions please? Thanks.


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    Or are these much better, precision wise...?

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  2. Dismalhead

    Dismalhead Poster Extraordinaire

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    I've got guitars with all three types. No preference as far as breakage, staying in tune, or intonation. I have noticed that sometimes I can scratch my hand on my old MIM Strat bridge, which has saddles like the bridge in the top photo. My hand shouldn't be down there anyways.
     
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  3. daza152

    daza152 Tele-Meister

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  4. Mr.Ike

    Mr.Ike Tele-Meister

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    I vote old school, works great, and love the look.
     
  5. Dismalhead

    Dismalhead Poster Extraordinaire

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    Brass saddles do add a nice touch to the appearance.
     
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  6. Nick Fanis

    Nick Fanis Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

    Mar 3, 2003
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    They all work and sound great.
    NONE of the other saddles in the pics you provided can replace the original saddles of your Am STD Tele anyhow.
     
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  7. blowtorch

    blowtorch Telefied Ad Free Member

    May 2, 2003
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    I like the barrels, steel for the low E/A, to maintain maximum twang on those strings, and brass for the rest, to warm things up a bit and help avoid icepick tone
     
  8. SixStringSlinger

    SixStringSlinger Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

    May 21, 2006
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    For precision in intonation, six individual saddles are your best best, since you can "dial in" each one without affecting any of the others. On, say, a Strat with a floating bridge, moving one saddle for intonation will affect all the strings. Not that you can't eventually get them all right, it just takes a lot of adjusting and re-adjusting as you get closer and closer.

    In a three-saddle set-up, moving the saddle for intonation on one string will always affect the intonation on the other string sharing that saddle. It may be impossible to get it all "perfect" (unless you happen to be lucky and your tuning, string gauges, scale length and other factors all line up "just right"), but you can get it pretty close, enough so that your ears likely won't notice anything being off to a bothersome degree. It's not like we're all here bemoaning the piss-poor intonation in recordings made when three-saddle bridges were all Tele's had). There are also various saddles available for a three-saddle set-up that are compensated in one way or another to make up for the intonation difficulties present when two strings share a saddle. Fender makes slanted one, Wilkinson makes notched ones, and there are others.

    For my part, my Tele is a MIM Standard that came with saddles like in your second pic. I liked its "stronger" tone compared to my Strat's (which sounds "softer", probably due to its floating trem; less tight clamping-together between parts), and I decided to see if switching to a three-saddle set-up would help enhance that characteristic. I'm no expert, but I thought it might have to do with fewer parts (and therefore less separation between parts) of greater mass. Regardless, I got the results I wanted, and I prefer how it looks, as well (a silly reason to make a mod, perhaps, but an added benefit I got). I used Fenders slanted saddles, and while the intonation is not technically "perfect", it's close enough that it may as well be (I'm taking one or two lines off-center in either direction on my Snark tuner).

    As far as your first pic vs. the second, my American Deluxe Strat came with the flat-top saddles that work fine and are comfortable for palm-muting so long as the height-adjustment screws don't poke out the top. It's not like I do metal-style palm muting anyway, so I'm not likely to have my hand chewed up by them. I've never used saddles like in your first pic, though I am considering getting some from Callaham for my Strat. Plenty of people like them just fine, and some even prefer them.
     
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  9. daza152

    daza152 Tele-Meister

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    My MIJ62 strat doesn't have the fender branded bent saddles, but most did, they are unbranded saddles not sure if original the bridge is definitely. probably won't fit that I imagine, so I guess I should just leave my Tele saddles alone, as they are original.
     
  10. Old Tele man

    Old Tele man Friend of Leo's

    May 10, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Tele "twang" goes well with metal-on-metal.

    Gibson "smoothness" goes well with nylon saddles (but metal OK for LP's).
     
  11. boris bubbanov

    boris bubbanov Telefied Ad Free Member

    Good to know. Good to know what guitar we're talking about since there's a number of Templates and some will readily accept a 3 barrel St. Leo style saddles and bridge and some just will not. Does no good to know of great sounding saddles if they cannot effectively be affixed to your guitar. I mean, the guitar may work but it won't be brilliant in use or effect.

    I like the bridge/saddle combo you have for the Template of guitar you have. The second image you show is inferior IMO and many people with it would like to switch to the one you have (but sourcing is burdensome/miserable). But what you could do is replace your existing "paint grade" bent steel saddles with some premium ones from Bill Callaham or Highwood. Better materials, much more precise tolerances and manufacture - will way outlast and outwear what you have.

    The 3 barrel designs really only work with the through holes pushed way down on the body. Fender has within the last years introduced a 3 barrel model with the through holes close together and high and it isn't appearing to sell well - and I suspect this is because the player (even without understanding why) is dissatisfied with the net result.

    Look at the recent Debacle with the roll out of the T version of the MIM "Player" replacement for the MIM Standard. The guys were having issues replacing the strings and this betrayed the fact that the whole undertaking was rushed and not thought through - I think FMIC did the same thing on their American models (except the Elite Thinline) with 3 saddles. I'm talking about these:

    https://www.fender.com/products/electric-guitars/telecaster/american-professional

    I think FMIC messed up and I'm still not sure they've caught on to it.
     
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  12. mfguitar

    mfguitar Tele-Holic

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    I have all of these bridges currently and while I prefer the 3 saddle approach I almost always wind up sounding like me.

    How about a pic of the whole guitar? I am fond of the trans finishes.
     
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  13. daza152

    daza152 Tele-Meister

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    I posted it a couple of days ago "Happy NGD to me!!"
     
  14. stratoman1

    stratoman1 Tele-Afflicted

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    If it works then go with it is my motto. If it starts giving you fits then start looking at alternatives
     
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  15. stormin1155

    stormin1155 Tele-Meister

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    Old school for me please. I don't know if it is better in any way than individual saddles, but for me it is part of what makes a tele a tele.
     
  16. Teleguy61

    Teleguy61 Friend of Leo's

    Do yourself a favor--
    https://masterybridge.com/
     
  17. Bergy

    Bergy TDPRI Member

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    That first bridge looks uncomfortable. I just had 3 weeks of saddle rash from saddles that were less pokey than that.

    I’ve played the 2nd picture saddles the most of the 3, but mostly on Strats. To some, 6 saddles on a tele ain’t right. I like the adjustability of em, though.

    I feel much better about the 3 barrel brass ones after they have been notched. My string spacing always gets jacked up without those notches. I notice that problem the most when I am hybrid picking.
     
  18. Lord_Ingipz

    Lord_Ingipz Tele-Meister

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    I for one can't stand brass saddles. Love threaded steel saddles.
     
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  19. daza152

    daza152 Tele-Meister

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    Is that what I have? I don't think I should change saddles anymore sure the look of brass looks vintage but at this stage in my playing I want reliability in the intonation, plus why would I change an American Standard Telecaster's bridge saddles I mean it perfect the way it is, tock pickups too, I am running thru a Katana 50 amp which I am over and selling to fund a all-tube amp. cheers
     
  20. rjtwangs

    rjtwangs Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    Two brass, one aluminum for the E&A....warmth and twang...
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    Don't forget the ferrules, mine are brass for the E,B,and G strings and aluminum for the E,A and D strings....all from Glendale....
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    RJ
     
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