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what is shredding

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by LeftyAl, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. LeftyAl

    LeftyAl Friend of Leo's

    Mar 24, 2010
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    Slash apparently does it. I must not be into this lingo.I never was very hip
     
  2. ndcaster

    ndcaster Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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  3. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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    Ha ha good question!
    I wouldn't personally call Slash's style, shred, or his playing shredding, or his musical identity a shredder.

    I think of the word more in terms of advanced college degree students playing at a highly advanced technical level, while at the same time possessing a comparatively retarded musical sense.

    As long as the technique is more advanced than the musical artistry, it would IMO be shred.
    Once the player advances their musical/ compositional/ rhythmic/ dynamic/ emotional/ improvisational/ inventive skills beyond their technique; IOW once they know why they are playing endless streams of pedagogical regurgitation; then they might cease to be shredders.
     
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  4. Chud

    Chud Poster Extraordinaire

    Dec 30, 2010
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    I've not thought about it quite that way. Very interesting. So it's the difference between ability and identity maybe? Being one who can shred versus being a shredder.
     
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  5. ndcaster

    ndcaster Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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  6. TheOneFatGuy

    TheOneFatGuy Tele-Afflicted

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    I'd put something like this in the category of shredding: something fast and technically impressive just for the sake of being so

     
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  7. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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    Yeah I guess Govan is embraced as a shredder by the still-living-at-home shred audience who wants to play just like him.
    But while I don't really want to listen to his music, I consider him to be a pretty brilliant player with ideas to match and make use of his formidable technique.
     
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  8. SacDAve

    SacDAve Poster Extraordinaire

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    Earl Scruggs was the greatest Shredder of all times
     
  9. 3fngrs

    3fngrs Friend of Leo's

    Oct 30, 2017
    Ohio
    Shredder is a derogatory term for someone who can play fancier than you.

    :D:D:D:D:D
     
  10. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

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    Fake news!
     
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  11. TheGoodTexan

    TheGoodTexan Doctor of Teleocity

    Apr 28, 2003
    Nashville, TN
    Slash is just blues-based rock and roll. Not shred.

    If the notes go by so fast that you cannot remember them, or the progression/arrangement is purposely so complex that you cannot remember it... then you might have shred. Metal seems to go off in that direction at time, but not all metal is shred. Some jazz guys go in that direction to, but to a lesser extent. Then you get the prog crowd who completely celebrate advanced abstract technique over melody and memorability. At that point, you're just patting each other on the back.

    I only know one Dream Theater song, which is Pull Me Under ... their single radio hit. It was memorable to me. But so many Dream Theater fans whom I've come into contact with shrug that song off... apparently for the very reason that I remember it - it's not overly hyper technical for technical sake.
     
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  12. Sparky2

    Sparky2 Tele-Afflicted

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    Steve Vai shreds.

    Artfully, and in a painfully thin fashion.

    Can somebody buy him a sandwich for God's sake?
    :(

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. soulman969

    soulman969 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Mar 20, 2011
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    It depends. Cheese or Lettuce. The technique is somewhat different. ;)
     
  14. 3fngrs

    3fngrs Friend of Leo's

    Oct 30, 2017
    Ohio
    Throw in some seasoned meat and a crunchy corn tortilla and you have something there!
     
  15. soulman969

    soulman969 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Mar 20, 2011
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    I'm into the soft flour type myself but you have a good point. :D
     
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  16. Jules78

    Jules78 Tele-Holic

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    Playing long riffs at over 9 notes per second.
     
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  17. 3-Chord-Genius

    3-Chord-Genius Friend of Leo's

    Apr 3, 2015
    Winchester, VA
    Shredding = awesome skill and technique, generally frowned upon by those who do not posses such skills and criticized (wrongly) as having no "feeling", etc.
     
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  18. tominwa

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    You got to be able to wiggle your pinky and make faces. Everything else just falls into place.
     
  19. Modman68

    Modman68 Tele-Holic

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    I think the term first showed up in the early 80’s California surfing community to describe the newer breed of surfers with shorter boards and a flashy-aggressive style of attacking the wave.

    It wasn’t too long before it crossed over to the Hollywood music scene to describe the new breed of post-Van Halen MIT graduates. Same kinda vibe, but applied to guitar....Flashy, ...aggressively technical.

    Nearly 40 years later and it now mostly describes music/musicians that value technical expression above all else in a composition.
     
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