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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by LeftyAl, Jan 11, 2018.
Slash apparently does it. I must not be into this lingo.I never was very hip
Ha ha good question!
I wouldn't personally call Slash's style, shred, or his playing shredding, or his musical identity a shredder.
I think of the word more in terms of advanced college degree students playing at a highly advanced technical level, while at the same time possessing a comparatively retarded musical sense.
As long as the technique is more advanced than the musical artistry, it would IMO be shred.
Once the player advances their musical/ compositional/ rhythmic/ dynamic/ emotional/ improvisational/ inventive skills beyond their technique; IOW once they know why they are playing endless streams of pedagogical regurgitation; then they might cease to be shredders.
I've not thought about it quite that way. Very interesting. So it's the difference between ability and identity maybe? Being one who can shred versus being a shredder.
I'd put something like this in the category of shredding: something fast and technically impressive just for the sake of being so
Yeah I guess Govan is embraced as a shredder by the still-living-at-home shred audience who wants to play just like him.
But while I don't really want to listen to his music, I consider him to be a pretty brilliant player with ideas to match and make use of his formidable technique.
Earl Scruggs was the greatest Shredder of all times
Shredder is a derogatory term for someone who can play fancier than you.
Slash is just blues-based rock and roll. Not shred.
If the notes go by so fast that you cannot remember them, or the progression/arrangement is purposely so complex that you cannot remember it... then you might have shred. Metal seems to go off in that direction at time, but not all metal is shred. Some jazz guys go in that direction to, but to a lesser extent. Then you get the prog crowd who completely celebrate advanced abstract technique over melody and memorability. At that point, you're just patting each other on the back.
I only know one Dream Theater song, which is Pull Me Under ... their single radio hit. It was memorable to me. But so many Dream Theater fans whom I've come into contact with shrug that song off... apparently for the very reason that I remember it - it's not overly hyper technical for technical sake.
Steve Vai shreds.
Artfully, and in a painfully thin fashion.
Can somebody buy him a sandwich for God's sake?
It depends. Cheese or Lettuce. The technique is somewhat different.
Throw in some seasoned meat and a crunchy corn tortilla and you have something there!
I'm into the soft flour type myself but you have a good point.
Playing long riffs at over 9 notes per second.
Shredding = awesome skill and technique, generally frowned upon by those who do not posses such skills and criticized (wrongly) as having no "feeling", etc.
You got to be able to wiggle your pinky and make faces. Everything else just falls into place.
I think the term first showed up in the early 80’s California surfing community to describe the newer breed of surfers with shorter boards and a flashy-aggressive style of attacking the wave.
It wasn’t too long before it crossed over to the Hollywood music scene to describe the new breed of post-Van Halen MIT graduates. Same kinda vibe, but applied to guitar....Flashy, ...aggressively technical.
Nearly 40 years later and it now mostly describes music/musicians that value technical expression above all else in a composition.