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what capacitor is THE ORIGINAL ONE?

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by simon, May 1, 2003.

  1. simon

    simon Tele-Meister

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    please can someone just give a simple answer: where and which capacitor shall i buy (which brand, which spec)? i want it to be original and vintage. so just as if i had a fender telecaster built in 1958.
    it is useless to explain it in a long mail to me, i just want the real thing.

    that would help me alot
    simon
     
  2. blondeonblonde

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    you need a .05 Paper/Wax cap 100 volts, good luck, cuz they are very, very hard to find-
    Paper caps go bad quick, like 30-40 years ago maybe-

    use a mylar cap, make a label, coat it in parrafin, age it, voila!
     
  3. Mark Davis

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    I have the cap you need but its in a 1953 Fender Lap Steel. Look in the garage sale if your interested.
     
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  5. Knucklehead

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    Repro Caps

    These are some capacitors that I made by printing a repro label and gluing onto a newer capacitor of the correct spec. It's not that difficult to do[​IMG]
     
  6. PhatBoy

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    Ok, where'd ya get them?

    Knucklehead, I'd be interested in knowing that!
     
  7. simon

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    ok, but what newer capacitor is of the correct spec?

    ok, i think i will do that. but then what capacitor would be the best newer capacitor of the correct spec? and where do i buy it? to be honest: what i care for is only the sound, not the label. so if it sounds like the original thats just fine.

    thank you friends!
    simon
     
  8. Knucklehead

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    Telecaster Cap values

    Most of the new Caps have readings like .047mfd, which if you account for the 10%+- variance that manufacturers are allowed you'll end up with a fairly close substitute for the .05mfd, which I beleive was the mainstay of early Telecaster Capacitors.
    The originals had designations like .05mfd 150vdc, although you are more likely to find .047mfd 400vdc these days. I don't think the higher vdc rate has any bearing on the ultimate tone, but rather indicates a higher tolerance.
    There is also another Capaitor found in Teles that is
    .01mfd, but the .05mfd is more common.

    Phatboy... to answer your question, the Capacitors that I used in the above picture are from Antique Electronic Supply in Tempe, AZ. They have several different Manufacturers Capacitors available in the values you need for this application, which vary depending on price. The ones I selected were the cheapest and best size for what I needed. They are generic poly .047mfd 630vdc, and are covered in a bright yellow vinyl film. They are fairly cheap like .45 apiece and come in several different sizes, although with different vdc rates, .047mfd 400vdc and .047mfd 630 vdc, depending on whether you are going to replicate a batch of early '50s Esquire Caps (3) or a Broadcaster, Nocaster,or early 50s Telecaster Caps.
    The labels are made on the Computer using any Graphics program. I'm going to scan an original label and then print it in multiples on a medium brown paper, like a brown paper bag color from the supermarket.
    You really need an original CD .05mfd 150vdc wax Cap to work with for reference, especially when it comes to
    building up the right thickness and size, colour, etc. A couple of wraps of paper and glue will build the Cap up to the right thickness, then all you need to do is glue on the label, which you cut to size. You can use a Black Sharpie pen to touch up the black border on one end if needed.
    There are a number of different ways to finish it off including tinted lacquer, etc. I used regular household cement to affix the paper label to the Capacitor, then I dipped it in Hyde Glue, which hardens to an Amber colour, after that I dipped the whole thing in Beeswax.Good Luck!
     
  9. PeterUK

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    Capacitor labels

    Hey guys

    Nacho of the Broadcaster fame made some labels and produced his own replica capacitors and he kindly shared them with me.

    If you need a copy, drop me an e-mail and I can e-mail you a copy. They are two JPEG files. I'm sure Nacho won't mind.

    It might be worth having a look at Bob Sickler's site. He was one of the first to produce replica vintage caps I believe.

    Have a look at the link for more info.

    http://www.rhsdesign.com/fender51/resources.htm#Capacitor

    Regards

    Peter
     
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    Dont mean to raise the dead but does anyone still have the replica label printing files?
     
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    Waiting for the replica pirates to arrive. :D
     
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    Ok, does anyone know how the difference in mfd effects the tone (brighter or ect)?
     
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    Bepster, the smaller the cap value, the brighter the tone.
     
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    Oh boy :rolleyes:


    This is the only post so far that means anything at all:

    go to Radio Shack, 2 caps, a buck 49..............then with the money you save buy some good strings.
     
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    PeterUK,

    How about a jpeg copy of the label ??

    "Nacho of the Broadcaster fame made some labels and produced his own replica capacitors and he kindly shared them with me.

    If you need a copy, drop me an e-mail and I can e-mail you a copy. They are two JPEG files. I'm sure Nacho won't mind."

    Thanks in advance,
    BC
     
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    Home-made Leyden jars have more twang.
     
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    Anyone have pictures of original 50's Tele tone caps?

    [​IMG]
     
  20. jefrs

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    I think capacitors go back to Michael Faraday. Pretty sure he had the original one.
     
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    I think we really need a capacitor sub-forum here. I'm sure it would get a lot of traffic.
     
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