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what capacitor is THE ORIGINAL ONE?

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by simon, May 1, 2003.

  1. simon

    simon Tele-Meister

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    Mar 18, 2003
    please can someone just give a simple answer: where and which capacitor shall i buy (which brand, which spec)? i want it to be original and vintage. so just as if i had a fender telecaster built in 1958.
    it is useless to explain it in a long mail to me, i just want the real thing.

    that would help me alot
    simon
     
  2. blondeonblonde

    blondeonblonde Tele-Meister

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    Mar 22, 2003
    nyc
    you need a .05 Paper/Wax cap 100 volts, good luck, cuz they are very, very hard to find-
    Paper caps go bad quick, like 30-40 years ago maybe-

    use a mylar cap, make a label, coat it in parrafin, age it, voila!
     
  3. Mark Davis

    Mark Davis Telefied

    Mar 2, 2003
    Bakersfield Ca.
    I have the cap you need but its in a 1953 Fender Lap Steel. Look in the garage sale if your interested.
     
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  5. Knucklehead

    Knucklehead Tele-Meister

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    Repro Caps

    These are some capacitors that I made by printing a repro label and gluing onto a newer capacitor of the correct spec. It's not that difficult to do[​IMG]
     
  6. PhatBoy

    PhatBoy Tele-Afflicted

    Mar 17, 2003
    OKC, OK
    Ok, where'd ya get them?

    Knucklehead, I'd be interested in knowing that!
     
  7. simon

    simon Tele-Meister

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    Mar 18, 2003
    ok, but what newer capacitor is of the correct spec?

    ok, i think i will do that. but then what capacitor would be the best newer capacitor of the correct spec? and where do i buy it? to be honest: what i care for is only the sound, not the label. so if it sounds like the original thats just fine.

    thank you friends!
    simon
     
  8. Knucklehead

    Knucklehead Tele-Meister

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    Tarantula Trace Trail, AZ
    Telecaster Cap values

    Most of the new Caps have readings like .047mfd, which if you account for the 10%+- variance that manufacturers are allowed you'll end up with a fairly close substitute for the .05mfd, which I beleive was the mainstay of early Telecaster Capacitors.
    The originals had designations like .05mfd 150vdc, although you are more likely to find .047mfd 400vdc these days. I don't think the higher vdc rate has any bearing on the ultimate tone, but rather indicates a higher tolerance.
    There is also another Capaitor found in Teles that is
    .01mfd, but the .05mfd is more common.

    Phatboy... to answer your question, the Capacitors that I used in the above picture are from Antique Electronic Supply in Tempe, AZ. They have several different Manufacturers Capacitors available in the values you need for this application, which vary depending on price. The ones I selected were the cheapest and best size for what I needed. They are generic poly .047mfd 630vdc, and are covered in a bright yellow vinyl film. They are fairly cheap like .45 apiece and come in several different sizes, although with different vdc rates, .047mfd 400vdc and .047mfd 630 vdc, depending on whether you are going to replicate a batch of early '50s Esquire Caps (3) or a Broadcaster, Nocaster,or early 50s Telecaster Caps.
    The labels are made on the Computer using any Graphics program. I'm going to scan an original label and then print it in multiples on a medium brown paper, like a brown paper bag color from the supermarket.
    You really need an original CD .05mfd 150vdc wax Cap to work with for reference, especially when it comes to
    building up the right thickness and size, colour, etc. A couple of wraps of paper and glue will build the Cap up to the right thickness, then all you need to do is glue on the label, which you cut to size. You can use a Black Sharpie pen to touch up the black border on one end if needed.
    There are a number of different ways to finish it off including tinted lacquer, etc. I used regular household cement to affix the paper label to the Capacitor, then I dipped it in Hyde Glue, which hardens to an Amber colour, after that I dipped the whole thing in Beeswax.Good Luck!
     
  9. PeterUK

    PeterUK Friend of Leo's

    Mar 4, 2003
    Nottingham, UK
    Capacitor labels

    Hey guys

    Nacho of the Broadcaster fame made some labels and produced his own replica capacitors and he kindly shared them with me.

    If you need a copy, drop me an e-mail and I can e-mail you a copy. They are two JPEG files. I'm sure Nacho won't mind.

    It might be worth having a look at Bob Sickler's site. He was one of the first to produce replica vintage caps I believe.

    Have a look at the link for more info.

    http://www.rhsdesign.com/fender51/resources.htm#Capacitor

    Regards

    Peter
     
  10. Shepherd

    Shepherd Friend of Leo's

    Jan 17, 2008
    Maple Ridge, Canada
    Dont mean to raise the dead but does anyone still have the replica label printing files?
     
  11. Zmatko

    Zmatko Tele-Meister

    Waiting for the replica pirates to arrive. :lol:
     
  12. Bepster

    Bepster TDPRI Member

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    Ok, does anyone know how the difference in mfd effects the tone (brighter or ect)?
     
  13. KokoTele

    KokoTele <img src="http://www.tdpri.com/gifs/vendor.png" /> Vendor Member

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    Bepster, the smaller the cap value, the brighter the tone.
     
  14. donh

    donh Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 25, 2010
    Oh Aich Ten
  15. sjtalon

    sjtalon Poster Extraordinaire

    Oh boy :rolleyes:


    This is the only post so far that means anything at all:

    go to Radio Shack, 2 caps, a buck 49..............then with the money you save buy some good strings.
     
  16. bluecar

    bluecar Tele-Meister

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    PeterUK,

    How about a jpeg copy of the label ??

    "Nacho of the Broadcaster fame made some labels and produced his own replica capacitors and he kindly shared them with me.

    If you need a copy, drop me an e-mail and I can e-mail you a copy. They are two JPEG files. I'm sure Nacho won't mind."

    Thanks in advance,
    BC
     
  17. Bolide

    Bolide Friend of Leo's

    Nov 21, 2010
    Rocky Hill, CT
    Home-made Leyden jars have more twang.
     
  18. DADGAD

    DADGAD Tele-Afflicted

    Mar 18, 2003
    Earth
    Anyone have pictures of original 50's Tele tone caps?

    [​IMG]
     
  19. jefrs

    jefrs Doctor of Teleocity

    Nov 20, 2007
    Newbury, England
    I think capacitors go back to Michael Faraday. Pretty sure he had the original one.
     
  20. David Collins

    David Collins Tele-Afflicted

    Sep 28, 2009
    Ann Arbor, MI
    I think we really need a capacitor sub-forum here. I'm sure it would get a lot of traffic.
     
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