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Warning Relicing new pine body photos

Discussion in 'Finely Finished' started by martino, Jan 18, 2009.

  1. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US
    Warning Relicing new pine body and a neck as well as all other parts


    Ok I warned ya !
    If you do Not like or just cant understand WHY someone would Destroy
    a perfectly good guitar or its parts its Ok I get that!!!
    So here we go.

    1st some inspiration
    the RatRod.
    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ratrod&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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    http://resources.coker.com/wallpapers/rat-rod-1280.jpg

    more inspiration ?

    primer nationals
    http://www.primernationals.com/primer/gallery.html

    http://www.donshotrodpage.net/PrimerNats/pages/XP9010038_JPG.htm

    I love the Refinish ones here the best.
    http://tele.protozoic.com

    The Holy Grail

    http://www.telecasterplanet.com
    THE BOOK IS even better!

    Disclaimer any thing I learned about the Telecaster or the history of
    said guitar I got all that info Here at the Telecaster Guitar Forum.
    Big thank you to All who post here! ! !
    Oh and I found this site from this one. . .
    The Squier 51 Modders Forum
    http://www.instituteofnoise.com/Squier51/forum/active.asp


    Warning Relicing ok ok I said that.

    We are joining the relic all ready in progress
    I lost the first set of photos in the hard drive crash of 08.
    To bring you up to speed I got the body from Tiapan Tone
    along with the bridge, control plate, TAIPAN TONE String Ferrel Block and neck plate.
    Vince also sold me Budz Guitars TripleThreat Bridge Saddles and
    Budz Guitars Tele Bridge Pickup.
    nice one stop shop.
    http://taipantone.com/pages/about.html

    http://budzguitars.homestead.com

    Does this all sound familiar it should.
    After this post who would not want all this stuff?
    http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecast...-taipan-half-bridge-sustain-block-plates.html

    Lets face it there are way too many beautiful taipan-model pine guitars out there, if not now soon.
    http://www.tdpri.com/forum/telecaster-discussion-forum/95003-taipan-pinemart-taipan-model-3.html

    I am going beyond the "heavy relic" to that just washed up on shore look.

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    1st thing I do with pine is seal it with shellac.
    I plan to relic it from the git go so I sprayed light thin coats
    of copper then bronze let it dry for a few days
    and sand it down with 360 grit letting some of the copper
    come through the bronze.
    Now I moved to Sea Foam green thin coat and
    back to bronze. Sand and repeat the last step.
    Broke the old rule I realize I never put the guitar together
    time to back track.
    Thats where we are in the photo hay it works.
    Moving on to the glitter top coat.
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    Spraying a color test on an old parts box copper 1st than the krylon
    glitter Glistening Gold
    httpww.dickblick.com/products/krylon-glitter-spray-paint/
    Looks like the copper is too red for my taste so I will spray the krylon
    glitter right over the guitar top as is. krylon
    glitter. Can you see the sea foam green?
    showing through the bronze above the box?

    Masking off the sides and back I only want the glitter on the top

    [​IMG]

    Let that cure and move on to the metal parts and what not.
     

  2. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US
    Here is a bag of parts some stuff is new and some is all ready rusted.
    the point is to put all the parts in to a bag with all the stuff from your junk drawer and shake it drop it on the
    floor, hit it on the work bench, put it in a tool box and shake shake shake it.
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    You can use this type of bag to ding up the body of the guitar.


    Dumping the bag you can see more of the junk thats in there.

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    This is what we are after.

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    On to the rusting.
    Action shot (aka out of focus)
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    Jasco metal etch to deep clean and speed up the whole production of decay.
    Put the pickup on a damp sponge just for a few sec dont want to rust the inside just Oxidized the outside only!
     

  3. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US
    Using this stuff you can get all the rust you want AND MORE!

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    You have to keep an eye on this stuff it will destroy parts like set screws.
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    More action shots (aka blurry)

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    As I was snapping this photo got a good whiff of the aluminum in the rust bath it smelled like battery acid whoa took me by surprise.
    Outside ONLY kinda project.
     

  4. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US

  5. markophonic

    markophonic Tele-Afflicted

    Mar 17, 2003
    Michigan
    Excellent Post :)

    Very Cool Project and I like the Rat Rot analogy.
     

  6. pengipete

    pengipete Friend of Leo's

    Feb 6, 2008
    UK
    Martino.

    I'm definitely one of those people who doesn't like relicing but this has all the makings of a great thread - educational and pretty. Good stuff.

    Pete
     

  7. e-merlin

    e-merlin Doctor of Teleocity

    Jan 13, 2004
    Garden City, KS
    You know, a couple of weeks back, I was going to post an "I don't get fake Rat Rods" thread, but then, I remembered that people buy pre-worn out jeans and relic guitars, so I didn't. I will never understand why people go out and buy new parts to make a car look worn out when you can just go out to some farmer's house, drag an old wreck back home, and get 'er running...

    But, to each his own. It's a big world and there's a lot I don't get. Personally I'd prefer spending the time it takes to make something look old making it look new.

    Happy relicing...:D You may eventually turn me around.
     

  8. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US
    Thanks pengipete and markophonic for looking and posting kind words!

    Hay e-merlin Thanks for posting and taking the time to look! I am not trying to eventually turn you around just posting what I am in to doing if it is not your cup of tea thats cool!!! This might help folks understand what makes
    me in to this. I earn my living as a painter so for 15 years or more I spend
    8 10 or even 12 hours a day making things look pretty (the professional term for this is "polishing the turd")
    it really is an Art


    as you can see it gets old so thats why I like to relic age distress stuff!
     

  9. pengipete

    pengipete Friend of Leo's

    Feb 6, 2008
    UK
    Any thread showing the techniques and skills that people employ is a winner. Even if the end result is not what some of us may want for ourselves doesn't detract from admiring the work that's gone into it or picking up some useful tips.

    For anyone who thinks that there's nothing for them here because they will never relic a guitar, think what you would do if you lost or damaged a screw on your beloved old Tele. Wouldn't you want to know how to age a new one to match the wear on the originals rather than pay $100 for a "genuine '63 screw" from ebay?
     

  10. Buckocaster51

    Buckocaster51 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Age:
    65
    Jan 6, 2005
    Iowa USA
    Admin Post
    I working on a pine body now.

    It dents and gets funny marks on it just sitting on the table! ;)

    It is about the most fastidious wood I have ever touched.

    Thanks for sharing your techniques.

    I appreciate it.
     

  11. Nick JD

    Nick JD Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    The wise man made his guitar body from a hardwood. It's somewhere there in that book ... probably. :D

    Hardwood has flowers. Softwood has needles. ;)
     

  12. Southpaw Tele

    Southpaw Tele Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    44
    Jun 30, 2008
    The Golden State
    Hezekiah 2:23, I'm pretty sure.
     

  13. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US
    Time for some neck tinting this is what I like to use.
    NASTY NASTY STUFF! does Not smell bad just makes you feel bad
    forever! just read the label and were gloves when you touch the
    bottle !
    http://www.stonetooling.com/product/proline-coloring-pigment-16oz.html
    It will tint most any paint or clear.
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    Here is my 50-50 mix =
    16 oz shellac
    16 oz denatured alcohol
    1 tea spoon of proline-coloring raw sienna.
    What I got was this.
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    Three coats with a foam brush got me to this.

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    The neck on the right has 2 coats sprayed of the same mix, the one
    on the left is the same neck as photo above.

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    got to go upload more photos.
     

  14. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US
    Steve I hope you planing to take loads of photos:p
    I have new found appreciation!!! for all here that photo blog
    there build, mod, paint, and what ever projects show up here ! ! ! ! ! !

    Thats cool you got a pine body always thought of you as an Ash kinda
    guy.
    The Tiapan body is my 2nd pine guitar build Steve I think your going to love
    the pine.

    My 1st pinemart parts guitar.

    [​IMG]


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    USA custom neck 7-1/4 R
    1-3/4 nut soft V
    Bill Lawernce Wilde noisefree singles.

    This is not me . . .
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2009

  15. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US
    Time to take the parts out of the rust puddle and clean them off
    with acetone.

    http://www.nothingbuthardware.com/785939.html

    Next step is to clean all the holes and slots in the parts.
    One thing I learned is that the circuit board etching solution
    just keeps on going so you have to clean and seal what you do not
    want to keep rusting wax and or WD40 seams to work well.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Think I will go with one on the right.
    jackcup is american thread from http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/jackplates_electro.htm
    Silver electrosocket part #AP-5270-010
    [​IMG]

    The jackcup on the left is from glendale guitars.com
    and so are the Grip-O-Matic knobs.

    http://www.glendaleguitars.com/hardware.htm

    Circuit board etching solution is hard to predict or control.
    I did notice that the brass saddles helped to put more rust colors
    on the bridge and the control plate I think that the next time
    I might put some old brass screws in with parts to see if I am right.

    Thanks for looking more to come . . .
     

  16. getbent

    getbent Telefied Ad Free Member

    Martino, this is a really cool thread... thanks for sharing... nice looking guitars... you guys are so clevah! that guitar sounds pretty swingin' too!
     

  17. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US
    Thanks!
    My guitar does sound like that . . . . only not when I play it:oops:
    Bill and Becky do a wonderful job with those Wilde pickups its a
    perfect match to the pine-mart body and USA Custom neck.
    Can Not wait to finish The Tiapan Tone Relic.
     

  18. martino

    martino Tele-Holic

    654
    Aug 2, 2007
    LA CA US

  19. Taipan

    Taipan Tele-Meister

    496
    Sep 30, 2007
    Western NY State
    Martino - this is a really cool thread ! I was telling my brother in-law a few weeks back that I wanted to build this body that I had into something like a rat-rod and here you have laid it all out for me ! Thanks !
     

  20. Arlo

    Arlo Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    59
    Jul 22, 2006
    Upta Camp
    Excellent thread Martino! TY for sharing.
     

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